Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

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    Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:04 pm

    Found this very cool new set.The pattern and this kind of
    uniform-type seems to be issued by the Ukrainian army in bigger numbers during last weeks.
    The cut is very western-style and very different compared to older Ukrainian uniforms. The shirt and
    the trousers have many interesting details, for example Canadian-style slotted buttons






























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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:21 pm

    Thanks for the detailed pics and the review! However, it is wrong to call this "arid" because Ukraine chose this as their standard camouflage uniform for temperate environments. I know the colors are light, but that doesn't determine it's purpose. The nation's military determines that. We should follow their lead. Certainly Donetsk and Luhansk are not arid, especially this time of year Very Happy

    What I don't know is if Ukraine is intending this to be a "universal" pattern, similar to US UCP, or if they will someday make a true arid version when they aren't so busy fighting on their own terrain. Obviously right now there's no point in making an arid uniform.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:33 pm

    I just called it arid because of the colours, for sure its not issued as a pure dedicated ,,desert,, camo pattern,
    but I don't wanna make the mistake of calling it ,,universal,,.The colours are just too bright to call it a
    woodland camo. Wink
    They seem to go the same way like the US did with UCP. I don't think its very usefull in many
    regions of Ukraine.

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:24 pm

    I think we should stick to classifying a uniform based on how the country intends it to be used. Otherwise it is too subjective. For example, how would one classify Mlok due to the colors? I think it is only useful camouflage inside a paint factory that had a horrible explosion. "Paint Factory Explosion" doesn't seem to be a generally recognized terrain category Wink

    So regardless of how good or bad a pattern is, if it is used as a temperate uniform it is best if it is called temperate. Otherwise things get really confusing very fast. Especially if Ukraine then produces a true "arid" uniform.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:34 pm

    It was my mistake, should have written: ,,arid coloured,,. Embarassed
    Will do it better next time.Never wanted to call it a desert or arid-use uniform.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by Camo_fiend on Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:27 am

    I had not heard of this pattern going on widescale issue. Definitely very arid coloured. Very nice uniform, though.

    There is a temperate version as well that's very green; almost reminiscent of the Estonian pattern. It has the same style and features.



    Given the current state of events, standardisation of one camouflage is likely the least of Ukraine's worries. Laughing


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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:26 am

    Thats true , but I lost the orientation about all the various patterns used by the Ukrainian government
    forces.On actual pics you can see that more and more
    soldiers are wearing it.But who knows what they will maybe issue next months....The pic you posted
    looks a bit like a digitalized German Flecktarn variant.



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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by Toasted Skittle on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:59 pm

    mylle wrote:

    From the pic, it looks like the Donetsk rebel uniform a bit. xD
    And I dunno about useless Mylle, Look at the uniform and the background; if they used, Coyote Brown caps and suede boots, they'd fit right in even just a little.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:49 am

    mylle wrote:It was my mistake, should have written: ,,arid coloured,,. Embarassed
    Will do it better next time.Never wanted to call it a desert or arid-use uniform.

    The worst part of language is it's a poor way to communicate what we really mean Very Happy

    I agree that the camo isn't totally useless. It does seem to be pretty good for the Donbas area this time of year. It wasn't seen much during the summer so it's harder to say how it would do in a very green environment.

    As far as I know this is now the standard uniform of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, though we're going to see a lot of TTsKO around for a while. Note that the uses of other camo is mostly either specialized items or being used by the National Guard volunteer units.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:29 pm

    The situation is simple as an apple.
    The displayed camo is a new pattern recently adopted by Ukrainian Armed Forces. It has been massively provided to Governmental (regular) forces units, military academies etc.
    Despite the good looking design and conceptually new approach to the uniform itself, this particular pattern has some vital, I would even say deadly, defects: the fabric ignites quickly, melts and burns with flame causing burns to personnel wearing it. Pockets and welcro are low-quality as well.

    However, I have to admit that it is the best camo pattern yet officially provided to the Armed Forces.

    And I may easily explain the great variety of camo pattern being used by the Ukrainian militaies, National Guard, volunteer and territorial defense units personnel. They use and wear everything they may buy, find or get from the volunteers supplying them with literally everything. Plus add assistance provided by some nations to Ukraine.

    That's it.
    Pardon my poor English.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by vonstuck on Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:22 am



    compare with the border guard pattern




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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:23 am

    Found some cool matching patches!Patched up looks always better. Smile










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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:36 pm

    wow, cool. Looks great!

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:45 pm

    Thank you, they are very cool!Was lucky to find some.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:13 pm

    These might soon be replaced by a new model coming later on this year:

    https://www.facebook.com/konsles/posts/705758472868912

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:16 pm

    new Ukrainian summer field uniform. pay attention to a headgear - so-called Mazepinka, very traditional for Ukrainian freedom fighters.


    http://uainfo.org/blognews/487493-novaya-letnyaya-forma-ukrainskoy-armii-foto.html#sel=1:1,1:5

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:49 pm

    Looks very yellowish, but the cut is interesting..I like the current
    trousers-cut more.The buttons seem more practical than ACU style velcro-closed pockets....

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:11 am

    PeacekeeperUa wrote:new Ukrainian summer field uniform. pay attention to a headgear - so-called Mazepinka, very traditional for Ukrainian freedom fighters.


    http://uainfo.org/blognews/487493-novaya-letnyaya-forma-ukrainskoy-armii-foto.html#sel=1:1,1:5

    Looks like we both posted the same news at the same time! Very Happy

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by Camo_fiend on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:26 am

    The newer version reminds me slightly of UCP-Delta with bigger pixels.


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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:32 am

    Right you are Steve. Our posts have appeared almost simultaneously.

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:08 pm

    PeacekeeperUa wrote:Right you are Steve. Our posts have appeared almost simultaneously.

    I spend about 2 hours a day looking at news/discussion about Ukraine, so it is good to see that my sources are about the same as yours Smile

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:15 pm

    Believe me, I usually spend more time to stay in the loop ))

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:09 am

    PeacekeeperUa wrote:Believe me, I usually spend more time to stay in the loop ))

    No doubt Smile  

    As an American, I am pretty proud of the 1000+ hours I've put into studying the war. Most Americans probably couldn't find it on a map in 1000 hours Sad

    Though to be fair to most Americans, their jobs don't require such attention.  Mine doesn't quite require it, but pretty close to it.  That's what I get for theorizing in 2009 that in 2016 Ukraine would shift power towards Europe, Russia would invade Crimea, then create "separatists" in eastern Ukraine, and push "peace keeping" forces in soon after.  Well, I got it mostly correct.  I didn't expect the "peace keeping" symbols to be painted over with white paint so Russia could claim they weren't there.  Nobody is perfect Wink

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by PeacekeeperUa on Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:54 pm

    CollectinSteve wrote:
    PeacekeeperUa wrote:Believe me, I usually spend more time to stay in the loop ))

    No doubt Smile  

    As an American, I am pretty proud of the 1000+ hours I've put into studying the war. Most Americans probably couldn't find it on a map in 1000 hours Sad

    Though to be fair to most Americans, their jobs don't require such attention.  Mine doesn't quite require it, but pretty close to it.  That's what I get for theorizing in 2009 that in 2016 Ukraine would shift power towards Europe, Russia would invade Crimea, then create "separatists" in eastern Ukraine, and push "peace keeping" forces in soon after.  Well, I got it mostly correct.  I didn't expect the "peace keeping" symbols to be painted over with white paint so Russia could claim they weren't there.  Nobody is perfect Wink

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    I can't but agree with you Steve. Some people can hardly find Ukraine or still associate my country with Russia.
    I am lucky to work with US militaries well aware of the international situation and war Russia wages against Ukraine.
    Well, my compliments to your assumptions, hope you can predict when "terrorists" and our eastern neighbour will give up and leave us alone.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Arid digital camo from 2014/2015

    Post by mylle on Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:20 pm

    Found this very cool Ukrainian digi parka with factory tag!
    Very nice cut and quite well made. It shares some features of the lightweight fieldshirt I've posted
    above. The only stupid thing is the hood which is not removeable.Full collar like on the old KAZ 57 parkas.... Wink















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