Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

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    Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by Necrolust on Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:06 pm

    The seller say is Bulgarian but I never see this...look like me like Latvian derivat..
    What you say guy's..

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:38 am

    That's not Latvian or Lithuanian, but it is very familiar. Unfortunately, I can not remember what it looks like.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by Necrolust on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:44 am


    "The design seen below is of unconfirmed origins, but is believed to have been developed for Latvia around the time of its independence from the Soviet Union. Probably produced in a Russian or Ukrainian factory, black and white photographs from the period confirm the general shapes of this pattern were in use by Latvia during the 1990s. At least two color variations have been observed, however, and no verification has yet emerged as to which Latvian units may have used either one."

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:43 pm

    Interesting! I guess I should have checked my Latvia pictures folder more carefully, because I found pictures of the uniform Smile There seems to be several variations in the cut and colors. I only have pictures of summer uniforms, so I can not compare against the winter jacket in your post:

    1. 6 pocket Soviet style (hidden buttons)
    2. 6 pocket Soviet style (exposed buttons for front closure)
    3. 4 pocket Russian style (but chest pockets are pleated)

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:05 am

    this is a nice jacket Rumen ... I don´t think it is Bulgarian, either ... however I think I saw a "summer style" jacket in this or very similar camo on a market here in Sofia a few weeks back ... where did you get it from?

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by Necrolust on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:24 pm

    Hi,Alex.
    He still not in me.....seller wont 60 euro for jacket and pant's.Sent only this pic..And I'm must decide ..the price is good or expensive..Seller thing that is old rare Bulgarian uniform.. Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:10 pm

    Maybe ask for more pictures, perhaps of some stamps, markings for size info and production or so ...

    anyway, I did remember having seen smth like it before and it was here in this very forum ...

    koalorka wrote:Very early prototype for the Ministry of the Interior:



    Dated 1991 and still carries the Russian language OTK acceptance stamps. Below is the only photo I could find that would show it in service, it's not very clear sadly:



    sorry for using your pictures and quote your post wihtout asking before comrade koalorka ...

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:18 pm

    btw Rumen, if it turns out to be a real Latvian interior forces uniform for €60 it's a good price ...

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:17 am

    I don't think it's Latvian issue. The pockets on all the early Latvian stuff I've seen are either flat pleated types (like Soviet) or pleated (like early estonian). The pocket flaps are all straight bottom edge. This jacket has "scalloped" bottom, which is like Bulgarian.

    It's very common for unused military cloth to wind up as commercial items. It's possible that that is what happened with the old Latvian cloth.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:54 am

    yes Steve, you are right about the pockets, I didn´t take any notice of that before ... Maybe a few more pictures might help comrade "necrolust" to identify for sure if it is a military issue or as you said if it is a commercial issue made out of old cloth stock ...

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by Necrolust on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:05 am

    Tommorow I'll meet with seller and buy the item...send more pics

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:17 am

    cool, this will help bringing some light into the dark Smile

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:01 pm

    Excellent! I hope there is some evidence inside to narrow down the possibilities.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:06 pm

    It's one of the loosely related patterns that came from the Soviet era which include TTsKO/Butane and the "Moldovan" types.

    The uniform was most likely made in Ukraine, and possibly exported elsewhere, but the photo I used previously, quoted above clearly does not show the same pattern. But such patterns in more familiar Latvian cut have been documented, albeit in different colours.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by Necrolust on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:50 am

    And now guy's...the seller actual have 2 set's.
    Also told me he have the set from his grandfather .Who been a tank commander.Give to crew like winter uniform.That is all info from seller.
    The set no have any label..only size writed with pen.






    Enjoy.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:31 pm

    Честито Румен! Congrats Rumen! Well this definitely is a great uniform and seems to be very rare as such, too ... Now we just need to find out if it really was issued to BG Tankcrews some (well, lots of ...) years back ...

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:23 pm

    You guys are right, the cut is vaguely Bulgarian, I'm thinking that it's a uniform contracted from the Ukraine (biggest uniform suppliers immediately in the the post-USSR) and they just happened to be running fabrics in this Butane style print in the early 90s.

    Why they would outsource these uniforms remains a mystery..

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:24 pm

    As evidence for Ukrainian origin I present this same camouflage used on a Soviet-spec summer Afghanka uniform, albeit in slightly darker colours.



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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:10 pm

    that's very interesting ... yes this could be the case and you are right koalorka, there is a lot of different camo materials made into uniforms by Ukraine since the fall of the SU ... a nice set there btw. thank you for showing this example

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:26 am

    Didn't want to start a new thread, but I found something that looks loosely related to Latvian "amoeba" style camouflage, in urban colours.


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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:25 am

    that's an interesting looking set, thanks for showing it ... any info on where it is from by any chance?

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:21 am

    It must have been late at night that I posted this because it has the "Moldovan" style Butane pattern. I found it in Russia.

    The zippered vertical chest and main closure don't look like military features.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:25 am

    thanks for the info koalorka ... yeah maybe commercially made for hunters etc. ... anyway still a nice set ...

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 am

    Spoke to the owner and it belonged to a paramilitary guard at a state-owned ammunition factory in Russia.

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    Re: Latvian camo made in Bulgaria?

    Post by dynamo.alex on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:29 am

    ok cool, thanks for the (speedy) info ... Smile

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