PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

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    LeeKitchen1975
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    PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by LeeKitchen1975 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:25 pm

    I managed to secure this Bergen last week. hybrid Bergen but made by a second manufacturer. The feel of the Bergen is better quality and some of the additional features on this frame are evident from that of the other two I have more noticeably the trident alloy frame rather than the arch frame.

    Also a tightening clip to the front straps (apologies if that the wrong terminology) and also some kind of buffers to the side...to be honest I can't think who has made it as I thought only one system got trialled, clearly not.... Karrimor, Source, CQC???



















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    Re: PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by LeeKitchen1975 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:27 pm

    On the label it states 217...so possibly a few of these about!!

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    Post by sobota on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:20 pm

    Fantastic! Lee, whats that panel in the picture with the side pouches? Does it sit at the bottom of the bergen to give it some shape?

    Also i like the floating removeable lid! Interesting how they used a green zip for the top lid pocket but all others are tan, i think the green goes well.

    Still stumped for a manufacturer!

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    Re: PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by LeeKitchen1975 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:28 pm

    That's right George, I forgot to mention the zip, little features but make it unique... I'm hoping the label means 2 of 7 not 217!!!

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    Re: PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by LeeKitchen1975 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:30 pm


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    PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by exwoofer on Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:42 pm

    A sweet bit of kit - as usual!

    Part of the problem (for collectors) with PECOC webbing is the lack of detail on labels. In the days of:

    * SCRDE
    * Defence Clothing and Textiles Agency (S &TD - Science and Technology Division
    * and DLO DC R&PS (Defence Clothing Research and Project Support)

    trials kit labels were usually more detailed.

    However, when DE &S (Defence Equipment and Support) took over things took a turn for the worse – i.e. less info on labels.

    During the trials process there are at least 4 major stages when kit can get revised – which is why the same item can change in style. Sometimes things look like an improvement, other times kit gets simplified (cost obviously can have an impact).

    During any trials project there are a number of phases after which kit may get a redesign (I won’t list all the trials phases) and these include:

    - CD Trials (Concept Demonstrator) – I think this relates to the old PM phase (Pilot Model) – these used to be manufactured in-house but I am not certain that facility exists these days. NOTE - there may be more than one style of the same item under evaluation at this point - i.e. CD 1, CD 2 (or PM 1 PM 2 as they used to be called).

    - Prototype Manufacture

    - Op Analysis (Operational)

    - User Trial/Training

    After each of these the learning’s a redesign (minor/major) is possible.

    This may explain the Bergen having varying designs.

    Below is a pic of the label from a trials set of chest webbing from 1995 - in the days when labels were more helpful. Its a PM model which I believe relates to a CD now.



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    Re: PECOC Hybrid 90L Bergan mk2 produced by another manufacturer

    Post by LeeKitchen1975 on Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:07 am

    Brilliant insight exwoofer and this would answer a lot of questions! Thank you

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