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    DPM Buttons

    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Tue May 09, 2017 12:46 am

    Hi ALL. Cannot find reference to DPM shirt with small shiny buttons, maybe a civi.

    shirt. Regards Jim.
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    Re: DPM Buttons

    Post by filupe on Sat May 27, 2017 9:51 pm

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    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Sun May 28, 2017 7:59 am

    Many thanks filupe. It's a keeper then.
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 30, 2017 12:34 am

    The Kiwis went though a phase of slightly different variants of DPM uniforms during the 1990s. From what I've been told it was mostly due to lowest bidder rather than deliberate design changes.

    I have two types with shiny buttons. One is pretty much bog standard DPM, the other has the black swapped out with dark brown. Both have non-pleated pockets, which sets yours apart from mine. Does yours have an arm pocket at all? On the right, perhaps?

    Getting matching sets for 1990s Kiwi stuff is not easy.

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    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Wed May 31, 2017 3:47 am

    Hi Steve. You got me thinking about that chocolate brown, so went looking and came up with another small shiny buttoned Kiwi shirt, some buttons have been replaced. But still has the black in the pattern. first pic is the original post 2nd is just a faded version. regards Jim.

    N.B. pocket flap variations.
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    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Wed May 31, 2017 3:50 am

    AND THE PLEATED POCKETS AND THE WIDER COLLARS! IT'S LIKE WHERE'S WALLY!
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed May 31, 2017 1:45 pm

    Thanks for the pics! The second one you posted is the typical design throughout the 1990s. Flat patch pockets with pointed exposed button pockets. The infamous Diesel type is similar, but the pockets are very slightly slanted as was the case with the very early 1980s type. Which means your first shirt is an outlier. Which has me thinking...

    This is not Kiwi Smile Evidence:

    1. I have 10 NZ uniforms in my collection, not a single one has pleated pockets.
    2. Not a single one of my uniforms has green cloth tags.
    3. Not a single one of my uniforms has nomenclature "Shirt, Mans Jungle" on the label.

    On the other hand, this is in the same cut as long worn British shirt, which is also called "Shirt, Mans Jungle", and green cloth labels are a near standard label for British items. So this shirt is far more consistent with being British than it is NZ. However, don't know of the Brits producing the WW2 style jungle shirt in DPM. Nor with shiny buttons.

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    Re: DPM Buttons

    Post by filupe on Wed May 31, 2017 6:38 pm

    I looked at these after my initial assessment and concur with Steve. Possibly a precursor to Tropical DPM? A test piece? To me it doesn't look like an early pattern of lightweight DPM but I don't profess to be an expert on 1960'-70's DPM patterns. I tried looking up an NSN country code for 092 but no joy there either. Perhaps a contract made piece for something like the Jamaican Defence Force??
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed May 31, 2017 8:36 pm

    Correction... 10 unique NZ uniforms + 2 unique NZ shirts. Just found two more that were put aside because I can't find trousers to match! They fit the description I made above about white labels, flat patch pockets, and not having British type nomenclature.

    Filupe, the idea of this being an export is an excellent notion! I'll have to do some digging around, but it could be pre Gulf War Iraqi export as well as places like Jamaica, Bermuda, etc.

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    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Wed May 31, 2017 9:50 pm

    And so into the unknown box, thanks all. Jim.
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:03 am

    Heh... hopefully you have the "unknown, but probably interesting enough to keep" bin and another "unknown, probably worth less than the shipping it cost to get it to me" bin. I think this one should go in the first bin!

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    Post by loski on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:04 am

    the cut of the shirt brings to mind Dutch DPM uniform shirts
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:29 am

    The label would be white and in Dutch, so that possibility is out. Also, they used solid color buttons, not shiny.

    I think the best guess is British export to somewhere. Could be one of the Dominions, could be some country in Africa or the Middle East.

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    Re: DPM Buttons

    Post by Camo-collector1951 on Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:23 pm

    Thanks for everyone's input. regards Jim.

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