Nice to see board of collectors' forum regarding Polish Armed Forces. I used to be collector myself and never would have expected that my working apparell, equipment etc will be valuable collectible.
Let's get down to it, I'm no expert but I think some of you might find my input useful.
Philip, this is the genuine military issue desert camouflage uniform - polish uniforms since, I guess, 50s (introduction of first general issue camouflage uniform in "rain drop" pattern and withdrawal of old WW2 style uniforms) up until around 2008 (introduction of newer variant of wz.124/MON uniform) were always labeled inside, usually on chest with black ink stamp indicating size (height/chest size parameter for jackets or height/waist size for trousers), the garment's pattern and destined user ("wz.", short for "wzor" means pattern and letters after slash indicate the user, e.g. MON stands for Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej - Ministry of National Defense) and something else - depending on the period of manufacture, manufacturer and other factors (the additional information on the stamp might be quality controller, category of quality, lot number, date of manufacture, etc). So always look for it; the white label is less significant and usuaslly bears the maker's information (in uniforms preceding the wz.124Z/MON and wz.124PI/MON).
The pictures you've posted show the second (newer) variant of the pattern 124/MON, this particular variant actually got it's own designation as "wz. 124PI/MON" (pockets are NOT pleated, each sleeve has only one pocket, flags are attached by velcro, there is no elastic in the waist of the coat, there is no lining inside the coat and stamps are made on small white labels - but I'm not sure about these two factors, and the trousers have 2 cargo pockets located on the sides).
CollectinSteve wrote:I've seen people selling commercial sets honestly. Unfortunately I've never seen a good picture of them to compare against the real thing. Anybody know if there are features to look for?
As for this question Steve, "Zvez" has delivered very nice comparison of interesting "wz. 124PI/MON" set (badged by the member of probably 1st mountain riflemen battalion from 21st Mountain Riflemen Brigade which was sending it troops at the time, assigned to TF Lynx during IX deployment of polish military contingent in Iraq as Multinational Division Center-South in 2007; we cannot tell exactly - the battalions patches are always the same emblem as it's parental brigade but the colours are different for each of the elements, that way camouflage versions of patches which is all tan backing and brown lettering for desert operations, green and black for greenside ops, etc always look the same and there is ususally no way of knowing from which battalion the individual came).
filupe wrote:OK my turn ...
Would like some more information on the patches .. I'm guessing para and sniper qualified .. but 'mtbiker'? => Mountain Biker?
As for your set Filupe it is the forementioned wz.124PI/MON that belonged to air cavalryman from the 7th air cavalry battalion when deployed to Iraq (you can tell by the black patch used in Iraq by Polish forces). On the left chest there is Airborne Parachute Jumper Badge with the number 25 (indicating number of jumps taken - these usually aren't "updated" as the troopers carry on with their jumps). Small blood group patch can be seen (which is unauthorized by regulations but acceptable by commanders in the theatre of operations and sometimes back in country when in the field and the patch is looking neat and tidy). Name tape looks like private purchase. As for the "sniper" scroll it indicates that the owner of the uniform was designated marksman within his squadron as there are no snipers per se in Ground Forces and therefore 25th Air Cavalry Brigade (part of which is the 7th battalion from which the said uniform came).
Now THIS is a truly NEAT piece. Early wz.124/MON uniform for one thing. Nicely badged up but missing the epaulettes, my gues warrant officer's. Look at the Parachutist Badge the golden leaves indicate Master Instructor and the Rome number II says he is the 2nd class instructor. Nice find.
These are worth mentioning, I'm glad someone posted 'em. These are commercial manufacture uniforms made by Miwo Military Lubliniec company which is popular choice among the soldiers when it comes to purchasing additional equipment and uniforms especially for the deployments. These pixel uniforms were used in limited numbers by the means of private acquisition in Iraq, Afghanistan and Chad.
Hope I helped, take care!
PS: hope you don't mind me digging up old threads.