P58 type Poncho roll, Iraqi?

Mustardgreen-ish, black hardware, and just a small marking inside the pick holder.
I'm sorta hoping it is Iraqi, so it can go on my set, but it's an interesting thing even if it isn't, as it's at least not British.

Yes, pretty sure this is part of the Iraqi set.

Great! 1 More piece to slowly make a set.
Now I still need a right magpouch, belt, canteenpouch (and canteen) and optionally a backpack.
I believe I remember a bayonet frog existing too, but seeing as I'm gonna put a Romanian bayonet on there, it wouldn't fit anyway.

Heck even the other magpouch is just an extra for me, as this set might even has been used like this with 2 left pouches, seeing the matching discoloration.

Here are a few more pieces which are probably Iraqi:

58 pattern large pack, possibly Pakistani manufacture, found around Fort Bragg, about 1994:



58 pattern kidney pouches, same provenance as above:



58 pattern poncho carrier, same style as above, but found recently at a surplus store in NY state:

Here is a different style 58 pattern kidney pouch, found in a Dutch surplus shop a couple years ago:

A respirator carrier, found last year at a surplus store in France:

These items I am not too sure about:

ammunition pouch:


44 pattern style belt (shade, and fittings are different from regular British 44 pattern, and there is no strap for the rifle stock):


I have seen canteens like this one advertised as Iraqi; I found this one in a bin full of Belgian canteens, but I don't think it is Belgian, as it does not even come close to fitting the standard Belgian canteen cup:

That 2nd kidney pouch set, are you sure it's Iraqi? I've never seen any Iraqi kidney pouches that were a copy of the earlier British P58 pouches yet, without the extra strap to stabilize it to the suspender straps.
Do you have any closeups of the materials used?

And I like that gasmaskbag, probably predated the M74 type's rubber bag.

And the magazine pouch below it, it looks smaller than normal, is that actually the case?

No, I am not sure about the kidney pouches. I will take some better pictures of the canvas.

The magazine pouch is for sure shorter than a standard 58 pattern pouch. It may not even be Iraqi either.

Getting back to this old thread - here is a complete set of Iraqi 58 pattern in grey web. Notice that the kidney pouches conform to the early British style, without the extra strap to stabilize against the rear yoke straps. The little utility straps are even included inside the lids of the kidney pouches.

I also have the matching large pack to go with this. I am not sure where this version was manufactured. Any thoughts?

In the meantime I've seen several Iraqi ones of the old British style kidney pouches, so I guess I learned about that I think I might even have a set with them on now, I should check my pics.

No idea where your set could have been mad though, wasn't most Iraqi webbing stuff made in Pakistan or something?

I have heard Pakistan and/or China, but I haven't seen any proof either way.

Here is a new find to go with my dark green set, the LH ammunition pouch:

It needs a RH mate!

Haha same as my previous webbing that had 2 RH pouches, failing to find one I just eventually sold it and bought this webbing as it was cheap enough.

Story of my life...

Having worked for an importer/exporter in Hong Kong in the 1980's I can tell you that almost every manufacturer of military softgoods in Asia were putting out their own version of '58 and '44 pattern webbing - they used to appear in company adverts in the trade catalogs.

Yeah there's a stupid amount of P44 and P58 webbing variations, most of them never seem to make it into the hands of people that identify them

Wolverine wrote:... Notice that the kidney pouches conform to the early British style, without the extra strap to stabilize against the rear yoke straps. The little utility straps are even included inside the lids of the kidney pouches.

As I understood it, the 'utility straps' were meant to anchor the top of the kidney pouch to the rear yoke straps. They would just feed in under the lid and then be tightened up against the rear yoke strap. At that length the 'utility straps' would really be useless for anything else ...

As far as I know, the utility straps are not related to the yoke. They are stored under the lids of the kidney pouches, and were meant for general purpose fastening. I agree, they are pretty short to be useful for much.

I think you mix the utility straps up with the stiffened straps that came on the later version of the kidney pouches, that is actually used to attach it to the yoke's straps, so the pouches don't start sagging backwards.
The utility straps are entirely unrelated to the yoke. I suspect they would be meant to strap stuff together that goes in the kidney pouches, so they don't rattle

Hi all,
Having used British '58 pattern gear for 6/7 years in the British Army, i can agree with Michel on the utility straps. I had 2 of these that i used attached from ammo pouch to ammo pouch around the back. This helped keep the pouches slanted/going back at an angle from the belt. This was good for shooting on the ranges in basic gear and also for combat gear as with the kidney pouches and poncho roll, as the poncho roll at this time was worn above the kidney pouches and contained the NBC suit. Hence no straps/connection from the ammo pouches to the rest of the load bearing gear. Rifleman Moore on YouTube has some great videos on '58 pattern web gear, 1st and 2nd types including trials gear that never made it to production. Well worth a look.
Regards, Kevin

Could this 58 pattern belt be Iraqi? Does anyone recognize the red ink stamp?