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    Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:31 pm

    Hi guys,

    Small research project... I'm trying to collect pictures of all the Polish para uniforms in the US cut (US = Ubior Skotczka = Paratrooper Uniform) - Jacket: all pockets with covered buttons, pocket on each upper arm in early models, one lower arm pocket added in later models. Pants: front cargo pockets.

    I have a list and have some pics already. I will update this post if anyone can add any more that aren't covered. Uniforms in bold = pics required.

    01. Deszczyk (rain pattern)
    02. Trial pattern 60s and 70s (petals pattern)
    03. Trial pattern Gepard (leopard spot)
    04. Army green moro wz.5612
    05. Army green moro wz.4643
    06. Marine grey moro (not sure if US uniform exists in this patern)
    07. Police (MO) grey moro (same as above but would be stamped MSW - definitely exists)
    08. Puma/Zaba (reptile pattern) - standard and winter models
    09. UOP Green fleck
    10. 1990s Police trial pattern
    11. Pantera ver.1 (pockets on back of trousers as well as front)
    12. Pantera ver.2 (pockets only on front of trousers)
    13. Pantera ripstop (not sure if ver. with lower arm pocket exists)
    14. Snajper ver. 1 (green inside)
    15. Snajper ver. 2 (no green inside - not sure if ver. with lower arm pocket exists)
    16. Solid Black Police
    17. Solid Grey Straz Miejska (city guard)

    01. Deszczyk (rain pattern)



    02. Trial pattern 60s and 70s (petals pattern)






    03. Trial pattern Gepard (leopard spot)


    05. Army green moro wz.4643





    08. Puma/Zaba (reptile pattern) - standard and winter models
    Standard:


    Winter:



    09. UOP Green fleck




    10. 1990s Police trial pattern
    (Picture from Santiago's website)

    11. Pantera ver.1 (pockets on back of trousers as well as front)


    12. Pantera ver.2 (pockets only on front of trousers)


    13. Pantera ripstop


    14. Snajper ver. 1 (green inside)

    (Picture from Santiago's website)

    15. Snajper ver. 2 (no green inside - not sure if ver. with lower arm pocket exists)


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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by drmatz on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:36 pm

    I have a uniform that was sold to me as experimental SF polish uniform, i've being talking to a few fellow members about it and it seems that they might actually be commercial.. Crying or Very sad


    Anyway if anyone has any info about the uniform would greatly appreciate.

    By the way steven god job putting the polish uniforms together, some very rare and nice items in there.

    cheers















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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:26 pm

    drmatz wrote:
    By the way steven god job putting the polish uniforms together, some very rare and nice items in there.
    ??????????????????????????????


    I saw that uniform or very similar (with all the same tags) for sale in Poland a few years ago. I was told too they are commercial and not military issue.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by drmatz on Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:26 pm

    Sorry i meant you Martin! Well done!

    Very Happy

    Hum, that's a bummer, i got 2 sets with similar tags, 1 is in this pattern the other is a flecktarn based colors... they were sold to me as experimental SF uniforms... i guess you can trust sellers anymore... pattern looks pretty cool though

    thanks for the info!

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:15 pm

    So Admin how do I modify my first post?????????????????????????????????????

    I've got more photos and want to add them.....

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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:50 pm

    I love the Puma pattern, there was a hat at my local surplus store, but it smelled NASTY, and he was asking too much for it. I seriously need to pick up a jacket one of these days, you can find them on Ebay for pretty cheap.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:26 pm

    misanthropic_gods wrote:I love the Puma pattern, there was a hat at my local surplus store, but it smelled NASTY, and he was asking too much for it. I seriously need to pick up a jacket one of these days, you can find them on Ebay for pretty cheap.

    I like it too - it's a neat pattern.

    As well as the US and the winter US, there were two types of standard issue uniforms made in it. The earlier issue cut had exposed buttons on the pockets and a brown lining. The later issue had concealed buttons on the pockets and no brown liner. All the winter coats that I've seen have been the same, and there has been a glut of them on the market since about 2 years ago. I got mine for about $10...

    Rogotywka's (4 corner caps) were made as you say, gloves and rank slides. Other items I have seen were two types of duffle bags/sacks, and a backpack. I also have a commercially made hat.

    Here are some pics below....

    Early cut, rogotywka and gloves:


    Later cut with rank slides:


    Winter coat:


    Gloves:


    Some rankslides:


    Backpack:


    Sacks:




    Commercial hat:


    There are two Polish names for this pattern. Most common is Puma. Other name is Zaba (with a dot above the z) which means frog.

    I think a gas mask pouch might have been made as well...

    Neat pattern.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:58 pm

    Martin wrote:So Admin how do I modify my first post?????????????????????????????????????

    I've got more photos and want to add them.....

    Is there any Admin here???????????????????????

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Philip on Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:56 pm

    Hi Martin,
    We had a user here who edited all his posts and so the admins decided that you can only edit your posts within 3h or something.


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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:26 pm

    Philip wrote:Hi Martin,
    We had a user here who edited all his posts and so the admins decided that you can only edit your posts within 3h or something.

    That's a pretty crap rule. I don't see any forums with that restriction anymore. A post is what the an author writes and he/she should be entitled to edit or delete it whenever they want.

    I think that rule should be changed...

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    Post by Mercenary25 on Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:37 pm

    Martin wrote:
    Philip wrote:Hi Martin,
    We had a user here who edited all his posts and so the admins decided that you can only edit your posts within 3h or something.

    That's a pretty crap rule. I don't see any forums with that restriction anymore. A post is what the an author writes and he/she should be entitled to edit or delete it whenever they want.

    I think that rule should be changed...

    Actually, one member posted TON of great pictures of his rare camo uniforms that nobody here have so those pictures were really great references. Until one day he edit his posts and removed ALL of his pictures.


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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by Martin on Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:46 pm

    Mercenary25 wrote:
    Martin wrote:
    Philip wrote:Hi Martin,
    We had a user here who edited all his posts and so the admins decided that you can only edit your posts within 3h or something.

    That's a pretty crap rule. I don't see any forums with that restriction anymore. A post is what the an author writes and he/she should be entitled to edit or delete it whenever they want.

    I think that rule should be changed...

    Actually, one member posted TON of great pictures of his rare camo uniforms that nobody here have so those pictures were really great references. Until one day he edit his posts and removed ALL of his pictures.

    I guess it's his right to.... whoever it was.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:49 pm

    Hi Martin,

    Great stuff! As usual. I have some questions/comments for you when I have more time, but for now I have time just for this...

    As for the editing, when someone posts to a Forum it becomes part of the Forum. I personally don't think it is right that people can "take their ball and go home" as it hurts the Forum as a whole. So no, I don't think it was his "right" to remove his stuff. I think it was his "right" to not have posted the stuff in the first place, obviously, but once it was here it becomes a part of something larger than himself.

    For the record, I run a Forum with a couple million posts to it over a period of 10 years. We also have a revision time limit of a couple of hours. Like here, we've had problems with people revising and deleting things to the detriment of the Forum as a whole. We even had one guy revising things he wrote from several years prior!

    The other source of abuse is when someone has a public meltdown and they later try to hide the fact by trying to change the historical record "Soviet style". Since meltdowns usually cause a great deal of trouble for Forum admins and the community at the time, I don't think it is fair that the person who caused the problem gets to scrub the record. We had one such problem here already and I've had the same problems on my own Forum (prior to the software offering the revision restriction feature).

    Having said that, it does cause long "reference" threads like yours problems because things can't be added over time. I agree this is a problem. Unfortunately the feature is all or nothing. I would support post editing restrictions to be off by default since most people here have shown themselves mature enough to handle themselves well. And those others have their accounts locked down anyway and therefore can't revise their posts even if the restrictions are lifted. On my Forum, on the other hand, we have hundreds of crazies show up on a regular basis so the restrictions have more reason to be in place.

    The real solution to the problem is to have a separate reference database, which offers a bunch of other desirable features. One of these days we'll have that here, but for now we're stuck with a bit of an imperfect medium.

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    Post by zvez on Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:32 pm

    HI Danilo,
    Sent the pics of this uniform to my friend who's a major in the Polish army starting during warsaw pact era as a airborne and now to present day. He's been a great source of uniforms equipment and info. He passed the photos along to others and he says he's not aware of this pattern as being military.

    But as you say it could be an experimental design that a line officer wouldn't have encountered. The labels are certainly intriguing.

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    drmatz wrote:I have a uniform that was sold to me as experimental SF polish uniform, i've being talking to a few fellow members about it and it seems that they might actually be commercial.. Crying or Very sad


    Anyway if anyone has any info about the uniform would greatly appreciate.

    By the way steven god job putting the polish uniforms together, some very rare and nice items in there.

    cheers















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    Post by Sgt P. on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:56 pm

    Hi Danilo,
    As my friend in the Polish military advised that these two sets that you purchased were identified as commercial camouflage that was made up for the civilain market. Possibly the airsoft market. He stated that these patterns were never issued for the Polish military. Hence the US wording on the tags. I do like both patterns and wished that they were legitmate issue camouflage. Sgt P.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:26 am

    BTW, that para version Puma is one sweet looking uniform! I'm guessing that's a rare bit of kit to get a hold of.

    I have a picture of very early Pantera and it had camouflage collar rank, similar to traditional dress uniform rank. Very slick. I wish they had stuck with it.

    Martin,

    I'm very curious about #10, the Police trial pattern. What can you tell me about it? I have a set and it clearly had collar rank on it at one point. Do you have any more pictures or information about it?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by msciwoj on Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:50 am

    very good thread lots of info-thanks very much for share! some of these uniforms I've never saw before,does anyone have info about Leopard (03) pattern? In begining of 90's there was similar pattern in Scouts shop,so I'm courious is it contract uniform (stamps/marks inside which every contract uniform has )or it's commercial .
    In the end of 80's soldiers of airborne units and some SF start to use self-made uniforms from parashoot (not sure is this word correct-sorry my English is very poor) material,it looks like duck hunter camo,I will post some pics later.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by msciwoj on Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:08 am


    here is that camo I was writing about,as seen on picture-still in use in 90's

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    Post by Guest on Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:11 pm

    Here some pictures for about LWP


    http://picasaweb.google.com/magdalen22/JEDNOSTKISPECJALNELWP#

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:04 pm

    Wow!! Those are some great pictures. I never knew there was a Pine Needles para set.

    As for this one...

    http://picasaweb.google.com/magdalen22/JEDNOSTKISPECJALNELWP#5409639063634953762

    This appears to be an unissued sniper smock which fades to this color?!?

    http://picasaweb.google.com/magdalen22/JEDNOSTKISPECJALNELWP#5409639051794622850

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by abrakadabra on Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:13 am

    Ad. first post

    11. It's 127/MON model (produced 1993-1997)
    12. It's 127A/MON model (produced 1997-)
    13. It's 124Z/MON model (produced 2003-). There's no version with lower arm pocket.
    14. It's 124/MON model (in "Pustynna pantera" camouflage produced 2002-2003).
    15. It's 124PI/MON model (produced 2003-)

    18. 124/MON model i "Pantera" camouflage
    1996?-2001 fabric: Dragon (80% cotton, 20% polyester)
    2002-2003 fabric: Snajper (rip-stop)

    18 trousers (Dragon fabric)


    18 jacket (Dragon fabric)


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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:49 pm

    Welcome! Thanks for the additional information.

    I have a picture of an experimental Pantera jacket with experimental rank on the collar, similar to the rank worn on the brown service uniform. I am very sorry I saw this only after bidding was over.

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    Re: Polish paratrooper uniforms "US"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:36 am

    I wish I could find the trousers to the Green Flecktarn jacket. I've been looking for years, but found none. However, I did recently receive this (with the detached hood):





    Like the old SAS/OSS suits from WW2, this one unzips from the neck down to the ankle so the whole coverall can be removed very easily. Not so easy to get it back on that way, as I found out Very Happy

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:36 am

    whoops! I double tapped the SEND button.

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