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    Post by tommyboy on Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:50 am

    Hi! Iam a novice in this area so this might sound stupid but I was wondering if any one could tell me if this helmet my father found in a skip during the 70s is a paratroper helmet? it has been suggested that it might be a dispatchriders helmet becuse of the D at the front. If its not what colud the D stand for? It is marked bmb 1944 and has the users name Pincher written inside. The chinstrap is made out of canvas with a leather chin holder it is has been cut at som point becuse there seems to be a piece missing. would be very gratefull for replies.

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    Post by helm40 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:45 am

    Hello,
    Looks like you have a very nice Para helmet. The BMB and date 1944. Made by Briggs Motor Bodies in 1944.
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    Post by tommyboy on Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:16 pm

    Thats great thank you very much for the help. Have you any idea what the D stands for?
    regards thomas

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    Post by zvez on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:08 pm

    I believe the wartime chinstrap was only in leather but still a nice helmet, the chinstrap is just post war.

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    Post by helm40 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:03 am

    Hello,
    I am not sure what the D stands for, I will see if I can find out. The chinstrap could be post war but the all leather straps were early war. Later in the war this style web strap was introduced. Odds are the helmet is correct and complete wartime issue.
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    Post by filupe on Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:59 am

    The Dispatch rider helmet might had the same shell but definitely a different suspension set-up. This is unequivocally a parachutist's helmet. As stated before webbing straps do not necessarily preclude WWII issue. Sometimes a lucky troll on EBay UK will net you unissued straps for this helmet.
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    Post by Grim Reaper on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:38 am

    Yes I agree with the others on this it's a very nice Para helmet in pretty damn good condition when you think how old it is, web straps are fine for this to be a Wartime (as dated) helmet, the D is quite probably D Coy of whatever Battalion the guy belonged to, would be extremely valuable if it where someone from D Coy Ox & Bucks Light Infantry as they where the first allied troops to land in France during WW2 and took the Bridge over the river Orne which then became known as Pegasus Bridge. Very Happy How great would that be? And also highly unlikely but you never know Wink

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    Post by Grim Reaper on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:40 am

    I might add that it still is a valuable helmet and to be found in a skip well...... Very Nice !!! Glad your father found it and it didn't end up as landfill so well done Dad Wink

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    Post by tommyboy on Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:45 pm

    That would be be something a D Day helmet! a shame one will never find out. Thanks a lot for all your replies its been very informative and my dad was very pleased Very Happy
    Thanks again
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    Post by Grim Reaper on Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:55 am

    Hello Again, I've just ordered a book called The Devil's Own Luck: From Pegasus Bridge to the Baltic, 1944-45
    by Denis Edwards who was a Sniper with D Coy Ox & Bucks LI and in it there is a complete list of all those that took part in the landings that night (In Gliders), if a find a guy called Pincher I'll let you know Very Happy
    Don't hold ya breath though Wink

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    Post by tommyboy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:31 pm

    Thanks! that would be great i will keep my fingers crossed. Very Happy

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    Post by zvez on Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:44 pm

    I don't ever recall seeing any wartime photos of brit paras with web straps, certainly nothing from d-day or arnhem, but learn something everyday, any pics of these webstraps in a wartime photo?

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    Grim Reaper wrote:Yes I agree with the others on this it's a very nice Para helmet in pretty damn good condition when you think how old it is, web straps are fine for this to be a Wartime (as dated) helmet, the D is quite probably D Coy of whatever Battalion the guy belonged to, would be extremely valuable if it where someone from D Coy Ox & Bucks Light Infantry as they where the first allied troops to land in France during WW2 and took the Bridge over the river Orne which then became known as Pegasus Bridge. Very Happy How great would that be? And also highly unlikely but you never know Wink

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    Post by Grim Reaper on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:03 pm

    Need to have a look myself now!!! Embarassed got me thinking.........
    You know when you have a very certain idea in your head and are positive your right but your wrong......well I hope I'm not having one of those moments now Very Happy anyways I'll have a good look and see cheers for that

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    Post by Mk1rceme on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:56 pm

    Excellent helmet...proper chinstrap or not, I would not turn away from it. Congrats!

    I'm sure you can find one(leather chinstrap) on ebay...I recall seeing one on there recently. I would just leave it as is though.

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    Post by Grim Reaper on Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:23 am

    Well I'm back....What I have found out from the book I received the other day is that certainly there wasn't anyone called Pincher in the Coup de Main Force, we knew it was a long shot, but worth checking, I would safely say that the D represents D Coy but of which Battalion or even Regiment (not neccessarilly Parachute regt as other units where Air/Gliderborne). There still a slim possibility that it was in fact D Coy 2nd Ox & Bucks, possibly a reinforcement (Battle Casualty Replacement) as for the web strap, it most certainly wasn't WW2 as they were leather, something Ive learnt Smile recently. But as most certainly the shell and definitely the liner are WW2 then Im assuming that as the helmets where used right up until the 60's & 70's the chinstrap has just been replaced, Im sure any Para who was issued that helmet would have seen the 1944 date stamp then immediately thought of Arnhem and been chuffed to bits, I know I would have been.......if I'd been a Para Rolling Eyes

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    Post by tommyboy on Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:28 pm

    Hello again! Thanks for getting back to me Very Happy .
    Did a bit of research as well and found these photos ( one very sad one Crying or Very sad ) from market garden and D day on another forum. witch acording to them show webbed chin straps, what do you think?
    Aparantly my helmet is a mark 3 para helmet. Web chinstraps it said where mostly used by poles and canadians but a few where issued to brits (mostly during operation varsity) it also said as you say that they where used right up to the 70s.
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    Post by Grim Reaper on Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:23 pm

    Excellant really....... Very Happy thats brilliant news, I always had a feeling about webbing straps ever since working in a Militaria shop on Saturdays as a youngster and definately remember a lovely Wartime one coming in and wanting it myself, when Zvez mentioned that he thought only leather ones were wartime it threw me.......so I thank for putting up the picture of your lovely Para Helmet and......clearing up my memory Laughing

    p.s. Alis klah ref the p.m. Cool

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    Post by Grim Reaper on Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:26 pm

    Bloody hell just noticed the battle damage on the helmet in the bottom pic......yes indeed very sad, its probable thats how he met is end Crying or Very sad

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