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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:33 am

    I am also very jealous of the name tag!  I've got 4 variants of the desert uniform, not a single name tag even though one of the uniforms was worn by a guy I know.  Got his rank and some badging, but no name tag Sad

    Speaking of variants, I've been meaning to see if we can figure out what these dang'd things are called.  Here are the variants I know of based on pictures and items in my collection:

    1.  M2003? = 1st pattern camo, smooth cloth, no arm pockets, use of buttons for various things.  2003 only date seen.
    2.  M2004 (early)? = 1st pattern camo, smooth cotton, two arm pockets, heavy use of velcro. 2004 only date seen.
    3.  M2004 (mid)? = identical to above, but 2nd pattern camo and different cloth.  2006 earliest, 2008 latest seen.
    4.  M2004 (late)? = identical (or pretty close to it!) to above, but ripstop cloth.  2006 earliest, 2012 latest seen.
    5.  M???? = ripstop with slant chest pockets and no lower pockets.  2008 only date seen.

    I am wondering if #5 is a Chinese fake.  I've not been able to find a picture of it in use and the only examples I've seen are from 2008 and brand new.  More telling, you can buy them on Alibaba.  There is also a picture of a Chinese female body guard wearing one during a PR stunt.  Since it is a radically different cut from all the uniforms AND the traditional cut was produced for at least another 5 years, I am suspicious.

    Any info from others?

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by ripcord on Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:31 am

    Thanks for your comments guys...Finding the Norwegian set  was a pleasant surprise...

    Steve, Have seen the sets for sale on Alibaba  but  only the woodland version  so far.   Obviously commercial ; they would be great to wear hiking and camping.

    Don't think all # 5s  are Chinese fakes though... Have seen that cut in both woodland and desert patterns with  legit tags here and elsewhere, and I am looking for one of each pattern..


    BTW, I forgot to post a photo of the non ripstop set...

                                                                                               








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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:39 pm

    ripcord wrote:Thanks for your comments guys...Finding the Norwegian set  was a pleasant surprise...

    Finding anything Norwegian is a surprise Smile

    Don't think all # 5s  are Chinese fakes though... Have seen that cut in both woodland and desert patterns with  legit tags here and elsewhere, and I am looking for one of each pattern..

    So far I've only seen #5 on Alibaba, a Chinese propganda video, and a handfull of collections.  From what I can tell they are all dated the same and definitely look to be legit.  That said, the fact that Alibaba is selling them is an immediate and large red flag since these are highly controlled uniforms.  And as of now all the examples I've seen are brand new and I've not seen any pictures of them in use by Norwegians.  They are also not shown in the Norwegian military's uniform guide for service members even though they are totally different from all other uniforms in service, before and since.  The latter may or may not be relevant (i.e. if this is special forces it might be in there), but I keep returning to Alibaba.

    As for your uniform, is that a 2006 made set?  I have pics of a 2006 ripstop with the same black manufacture's labels.

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by ripcord on Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:03 pm




    The labels for the non ripstop set

                                                                       

                                                                        Label for trousers is identical.

    Labels for ripstop set

                                                                     

                                                                     Label for coat is identical but dated 2008..

                                                                                                 

                                                                     

                                                                    

    Shorts are non ripstop

                                                                   

                                                                    



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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:36 pm

    Ooo!  Neat shorts!

    Your 2003 non-ripstop set must have been among the first ever produced as I have the previous type (no arm pockets) and it is also dated 2003.

    I forgot to add that there is a sorta variant of the ripstop set. The more recently produced cloth (2013) has a more distinctive grid pattern than the earlier type.  Here's a comparison, though the camera flash makes the difference less noticeable. Older type is on the left, newer type on the right:



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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by ripcord on Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:22 pm

    I can see the difference.

    The grid  on the left has  distinctive " bumps " .  Looks less pronounced on the right..

    Interesting.. Can you post a photo of the whole garment ?

                                                             




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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:00 am

    Yup, I'll do that. But there's no differences in the cut at all. If you've seen one you've seen 'em all Smile

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by Berserk92 on Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:23 pm

    I see some wrong information here, but I will try to explain when I'm home from work.

    Stay frosty.

    If you are wondering on something.

    ask the question and use numbers for each question.

    I'm not an expert so not trying to be the  "smarter guy then others" here.
    Also, not an expert in english, so to answear correct can take some time.
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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by ripcord on Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm

    Berserk92,

    Most of us here are collectors, not experts, so any correct  information is always welcome, not taken as an insult ...

    Norwegian patterns are among my favorite, so I am looking forward to hearing from you...

    Thank you,



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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:32 pm

    Yes, more information is always a good thing!! Especially because I asked for help Wink The information I posted is definitely mostly a guess. Good information is needed.

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:37 pm

    Well now that's a strange jacket you have there! Different colors *and* reversed screens. I wonder what the story is behind this one.

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by vonstuck on Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:08 am

    CollectinSteve wrote:Well now that's a strange jacket you have there!  Different colors *and* reversed screens.  I wonder what the story is behind this one.

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    Hello Steve
    You have a set identical here http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t6276-norwegian-different-desert-camo-patterns

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:14 am

    I remember that post and I save the picture. However, I didn't notice the difference in colors! Your comparison picture was much clearer. Thanks for posting it.

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    Re: NORWAY DESERT CAMOUFLAGE

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:23 am

    Norwegian special forces Afghanistan 2001/2. using US choc chip



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