Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by partizankampfer on Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:09 pm

    vicka1971 wrote:Hey Gilles

    I disagree with you about 1991 all arms used camo. Mad I served from 1990-92 inSoviet Army. In 1991 I got my "Afghanka" field uniform,but I still used to wear XB and PShA uniforms. Camo uniforms used to wear ONLY airborne,specnaz,naval infantry, border guard units. Best regards, Vitalis Very Happy

    On the photo is sergante from separate study companies of special purpose, 1991. (27th "Sevastopolskaya" Motor Rifle Brigade of KGB USSR)
    (Photo from "Tsejhgauz" magazine)

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by vonstuck on Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:37 pm

    Hello
    Thank you for the information
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:14 am

    I just landed myself this very nice, used condition, 1st Model KGB/BG jacket. Wish I had the trousers Sad

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by Soviet_Kazimir on Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:25 am

    WOW! Very nice two questions though.

    What size is it?

    Where did it come from?

    It looks a bit like the Japanese repro's done in the 90's I think. Picture of manufacture stamp would clear that up. Smile
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by vonstuck on Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:23 am

    Hello
    I have a set of the copy who I have bought as a good
    You can see it here: http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/copy-or-fake.php
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by Soviet_Kazimir on Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:19 pm

    Steve, IMO your jacket looks like the Japanese copy with the label removed... I hope you didn't pay that much for it... The shade of the camo and button color on your set are near identical to the copies..
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:10 pm

    Damn, it is a copy Sad I can see where the tag was removed. I was a little suspicious of this when it arrived because there is no ink stamp and it didn't... well... feel right. But it looks so correct! I did not know there was a copy of this uniform floating around. Bah.

    Fortunately, I did not pay too much for it. About $60 total. If I had known it was a fake I wouldn't have bid on it. I certainly wouldn't have bid as much as I bid Smile Thankfully nobody else wanted it so my top bid wasn't touched.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by Soviet_Kazimir on Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:16 am

    Trust me I know the feeling. One militariashow I had thought that I found a set of 1st pattern till I realized it was one of those Japanese copies.... I didn't buy it... Although I might have if it fit better and was not fitted for a small Japanese man! Smile
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by escammo on Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:48 am

    Here is a photo of a spetsodezhda aviation uniform.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:55 am

    Yeouch! I wonder what one of those would fetch on eBay. I saw a visor cap on eBay a couple of years? ago and it went for huge money IIRC.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by Soviet_Kazimir on Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:15 am

    I have yet to see the aviation suit now that is MEGA rare. Same goes for pretty much any border guard item pre 1988

    Here is some color photographic evidence:

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by AENEAS on Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:11 pm

    Hi Guys,here's mine. I bought this camo(only jaket) this summer for €25,00,a few days ago one of it is fall $153,00 on e-bay!!! In mine not mark or stamp but it is 100x100 original....

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by koalorka on Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:10 pm

    If you look at the details, your shirt does deviate somewhat from what the original 1st pattern spetsodezdha. I believe you have one of the Japanese copies, like the one posted by Steve above.
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by AENEAS on Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:01 am

    Low price doesn't mean to buy a copy. I don't buy this jacket at collectors or at military sellers, but I buy it from a stall of used cloths. You can note a difference ( that I pointed with the two cambers )between my jacket and the Steve's jacket. On mine you can note a brown strip of cloth, while on Steve's jacket the same strip is in camo. If Steve compares the photos published, with his jacket, he will confirm that my jacket isn't a japanese copy.
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by koalorka on Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:53 pm

    You may be right. I would love for one of our Soviet specialists to weigh in.
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by escammo on Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:40 pm

    Enea's Type 1 Spetsodezdha jacket looks original to me.

    These uniforms have factory marks stamped onto sewn-in squares of cloth just like the kzs uniforms do. Looks like the factory tag was removed from this jacket. There maybe remnants of the tag on the seam behind the button side of the jacket. Let me know if you want to see photos.

    Thank you for the detailed pictures of the Spetsodezdha jacket, Enea.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by koalorka on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:41 am

    Excellent find for 25 Euro!
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:33 am

    Some people would pay $200 for that, so at EUR 25 it was a steal! Anybody ever seen the trousers for sale? I've seen at least one legit jacket over the years, and a couple of the Japanese knock offs, but I don't think I've seen trousers.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by AENEAS on Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:19 pm

    Many thanks Erick for your information.I try to look for the rests of the label(such as in the posted pic of my KZS set and of russian pack)but I found nothing.Maybe because the label is been completely cut off.I think these labels were always cut off,because I have four KZS set and only in the new set,there is the label.



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    I added another pic of my Spetsodezdha in which you can note the flap of the arm with bright -yellow digital blotchs.
    I too am looking for the pants for complete my set,even if I think I'won't be so lucky to find it at €25,00!

    It isn't a steal but luck!

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by escammo on Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:23 pm

    Here are close-up photos of details on the Spetsodezhda Type 1 pants.

    Banana pocket at each hip. The only pockets on the pants.

    Knee reinforcements. No reinforcement on the seat of the pants.

    Button fly

    Standard “stirrup” cuffs.


    Here is a photo of the manufacturing tag on the jacket. It looks like this uniform was manufactured in Andijan, Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic (now Uzbekistan). The uniform looks to be dated 1983.


    It is not uncommon for Soviet uniforms to have different colorations like the pocket flap on your uniform. The Soviets used surplus scraps of material - some in different color or even different camo patterns - for making pocket flaps, collars and other small pieces of uniforms.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by ОКП on Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:04 pm

    Hi all,Hi Kaz,

    Collecting world can be a small,small one indeed.....
    Here are a few pics...
    1st pattern "european" version:

    Got the matching trousers (not illustrated here)

    1st pattern "central asian" version:

    Got the trousers but not matching in color (not illustrated here)

    And the winter 1st pattern-sorry for the bad memories Filupe-:

    Don't have the trousers for this one.....But don't give up on finding one someday before I pass away hopefully Laughing
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:56 am

    Thanks for the additional pictures from your collection! Very, very nice. First time I've seen the winter jacket in private hands.

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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by shoru on Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:06 am

    These are some really awesome pieces you have there, thank you for sharing the pictures!
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    Re: Soviet KGB Border Guards(PV)

    Post by AENEAS on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:43 pm

    My 2nd pattern winter weight Spetsodezhda.
    Today,while I was takeing these photos,I discovered(by chance) the plastic "secre pocket" with the wire for Makarov!
    Enea




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