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    Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by RetroRedRio on Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:34 am

    Now I've seem similar types of duck camo used in the Vietnam war many times before. Tho don't know this exact type scratch


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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:05 am

    99.9% of the stuff in duck hunter camo never saw military use, never was in Vietnam. OK... maybe not that high... maybe 99.8% Very Happy

    The only people that can possibly say if something was used in Vietnam or not are the guys who eat, breath, and sleep duck hunter camo. And even then I get the feeling they guess a lot because the stuff worn there might have been purchased from retail sources in the US.

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by Guessologist on Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:35 am

    I agree with Steve.
    Pretty confident that this is commercial based on both the label and (mostly the) pocket configuration.

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by RetroRedRio on Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:15 pm

    Thanks for the info but I didn't bother to mention that it is commercial. Soley cause 1 I didn't question on that fact and 2 almost everone here are militaria fanatics & or collectors. So of course you know what your lookin' at (depending on your specialites). Still the name of the camo would be much appreciated Smile

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by panzerwerk on Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:32 pm

    duck hunter, but some also call it Beogam as well , Beogam usually the spots do not touch , duck hunter the spots touch and are clumped together .

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by panzerwerk on Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:39 pm

    Beogam





    Duck Hunter





    there are thousands of patterns made all over the world for both military and civilian use ,Borsarello called it King Kard , but I have never heard this term outside of his book , and all of it is based on the U.S. WWII pattern .

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by Guessologist on Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:32 am

    RetroRedRio wrote:Thanks for the info but I didn't bother to mention that it is commercial. Soley cause 1 I didn't question on that fact and 2 almost everone here are militaria fanatics & or collectors. So of course you know what your lookin' at (depending on your specialites). Still the name of the camo would be much appreciated Smile

    ah, ok. You're welcome. Very Happy

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by drmatz on Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:48 am

    just one thing to add,

    beogam is actually any duck hunt pattern made "in country", or that was produced in vietnam...

    Also the "13" buttom duck hunt shirt, i have some documented pictures of usage in the "bay of pigs invasion" there's actually one shirt hanging in a local museum in Havana that was captured from the battle.

    As for other duck hunt items as everybody else pointed out, is really hard to spot which ones were actually used in vietnam... there are some tips that can assure you the ones that weren't, like buttons, (they should have the older flat buttons) tags, fabric and the "feel" of it, also they are quite old by now, so anything that is post 1964, or so is probably no Vietnam... All duck hunt uniforms were commercial items to.

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by panzerwerk on Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:08 am

    All duck hunt uniforms were commercial items to.

    Sorry , but this is a false statement , many countries in Europe ,Asia, and central and south America issued "Duck Hunter" pattern camo uniforms , its not all commercial .

    Some of the most famous is South Korea, Mexico and the Dutch .

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by filupe on Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:05 pm

    The whole 'Duck Hunter in Vietnam' issue is one fraught with ambiguity. What is certain that commercial duck hunters were procured by some early SF elements before the advent of army issued camouflage uniforms. Many collectors seem to agree that some 'Kamo' brand examples are certainly the more desirable of these early duck hunter variants (esp. with metal buttons as mentioned before). I recommend going through the 'beo gam' thread that is pinned to the headboard of the uniform section of USMF - see here

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by drmatz on Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:51 pm

    panzerwerk wrote:
    All duck hunt uniforms were commercial items to.

    Sorry , but this is a false statement , many countries in Europe ,Asia, and central and south America issued "Duck Hunter" pattern camo uniforms , its not all commercial .

    Some of the most famous is South Korea, Mexico and the Dutch .

    Well I meant to say US Vietnam era duck hunt uniforms were commercial

    Off course there's plenty of issued duck hunt uniforms all over the world including brazil as well

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by panzerwerk on Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:30 pm

    Sorry Danilo , just did not want to confuse anyone

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by vonstuck on Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:24 am

    Beogam


    close up of beogam pattern
    You can see a picture with the good colors on the book tiger stripe pattern by Denis Johnson
    I need to take picture of my shirt
    For me beogam pattern is an early South Vietnam pattern (maybe US fabric an give at South Vietnam as aid)









    Duck hunter
    The duck hunter pattern is based on the USA WWII pattern
    You can find exatly same pattern as USA WWII pattern and plenty of variant in the drawing
    The navy seal have used duck hunter for training in USA and in vietnam until 1968 ( I say 1968 because at this date I don't know picture showing navy seal with duck hunter pattern)



    On this picture you can see garment with hight pocket and another with low pocket
    I thing garment with hight pocket are one piece garment ( difficult to say on picture and I have not find a good picture for be sure)

    And you can find duck hunter as private purchase wearing by US soldier or South Vietnam soldier



    South Vietnam soldier in beogam and duck hunter pattern



    South Korea pattern
    And you can find picture showing US soldier wearing South Korea garment at this picture



    I hope not be too sententious
    Very important, the beogam pattern is the close up I have piut in first
    All who look as this but not identical is not beogam pattern!
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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by Guest on Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:20 am

    Retro I have the same shirt in my collection I dont think they used that type in vietnam but I can be wrong? But I do have other duck camo/ beogam uniforms that have patches and all on them also have helmet covers also so when I buy this stuff I look for the buttons/ some type of tag or writting/ to see if you had patches on it or not/ how strong the material its made from is/ try and find the same camo on google or a website/ and if it has a been there look to it

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by Guest on Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:41 pm

    here are some of mine


    This one is coveralls and has a patch on the left side that says gary owens and has a rocket missle was told this was used for the people who drove the jeeps with the rockets on the back sorry about the bad picture its the only one I have

    Even have some helmet covers


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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by Guest on Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:44 pm

    I also have that uniform that is above with the guy on the radio with the painted face again its a bad photo and you can only see the top if it but I have the pants and jacket and both have a name on it printed in black its in the left corner

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by RetroRedRio on Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:35 am

    Thanks everyone for the clarfication and yall have superb pics! Lol Panzerwerk, everytime I see your profile name. An image of that oldschool WW2 german 60 or 100M Panzerfaust comes to mind. Tho german small arms isn't my cup of tea but I find it to be very kool.

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by panzerwerk on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:04 am

    Panzerwerk, everytime I see your profile name. An image of that oldschool WW2 german 60 or 100M Panzerfaust comes to mind. Tho german small arms isn't my cup of tea but I find it to be very kool.

    I just keep that name as it was the first I ever used on a board from way back in the day , and the name of my small Business panzerwerk.com I dont collect German WWII stuff .

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    Re: Vietnam era lookin'

    Post by vonstuck on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:00 pm







    Compare with the Beogam








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