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    My unknowns

    Post by vonstuck on Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:21 pm

    My most incredible unknown camo







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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:30 pm

    Wow....thats a trippy one...Hippyflage?

    I kid, I kid

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by Easy Gee on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:47 pm




    I think my Mum used to have a set of curtains like this is the early 70's....Nah ,only kidding Mate ....That is one cool looking jacket....I hope someone out there knows,where it's from.....my guess of African origin Cool

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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:54 pm

    Easy Gee wrote:
    I hope someone out there knows,where it's from.....my guess of African origin Cool

    Yeah...thats my guess as well. Somewhere in Africa..they always have the weirdest camo patterns

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by Easy Gee on Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:01 pm

    Yeah mate,It's just got to be African....no one else would have a wild pattern like this one.....( this is where someone else will now post some thing like " No this is a very rare Swiss pattern, they only made 100 of them. " and I'll be like swallowing a lot a Humble pie) Laughing

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    Post by Flecktarn92 on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:46 pm

    by the stamps it looks Russian or Eastern Bloc, but the pattern says otherwise.

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:50 am

    That is so hideous that it is beautiful! Really nice one Gilles!

    Whatever it is, the ink stamps make me think this is a definite government issue item of some sort. But I don't know what!

    Two things strike me about this:

    1. The cut is very unusual, but it does have several common French features (inside top pockets, external lower pockets, button tab cuffs, drawstring waist...)

    2. The ink stamps remind me of French stamps. The size is "48"?

    Obviously I am not suggesting any French military wore this. What I am suggesting is that perhaps a French clothing maker produced this item. And if it did, then I also agree it probably went to Africa.

    Wild stuff!!

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    Post by filupe on Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:50 am

    I agree with Steve - the cut very strongly suggests the Mle 1947 'toutes armes' (general issue) blouse and one of the stamps looks very much to say 'Armee', which can also be found on french issue garments.

    I am just wondering whether French camouflage development at the time was not merely left to private textile companies but rather under direct military control.

    An interesting pattern nonetheless ...

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    Post by vonstuck on Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:18 pm









    I have bought the 2 shirts at the same guy who say it is from Africa
    The second shirt is a Chinese pattern
    it's a jacket that was disassembled and remanufactured to look like the other
    Crazy!
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    Post by Easy Gee on Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:45 am

    vonstuck wrote:







    I have bought the 2 shirts at the same guy who say it is from Africa
    The second shirt is a Chinese pattern
    it's a jacket that was disassembled and remanufactured to look like the other
    Crazy!
    Gilles



    Hi Giles.

    Maybe the top DPM style shirt is from Tanzania,I seen one like this before, but a lot more washed out in colour???

    Just a Guess, and if it isn't, it looks very similar from memory Exclamation

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    Post by vonstuck on Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:35 pm

    Hello
    The DPM shirt is in mint condition
    It is the good colors on the picture, and yes, they are unusual!
    The fabric is heavy coton
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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by vonstuck on Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:30 am

    It is not the Saudi Arabia pattern







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    Post by AK101 on Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:30 am

    No idea what it is, but that first jacket looks amazing.

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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:12 pm





    US WWII parachute material
    The parachute material have receive wax or oil for give the garment waterproof






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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:02 pm







    I have bought this jacket with this bag and a DPM 5 colors Kuwaiti pant
    The lot was bring back by a French soldier from Kuwait in 1991
    The jacket is resized and it is identical as this: http://www.sacamo.co.za/South%20Africa%20za050.htm
    I don't know if it is a Kuwaiti jacket or Iraqi or another
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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by mcoleman762 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:30 pm

    Hello Gilles,

    That DPM jacket is in fact a South African Recce issue piece. I have a couple of these myself. They were manufactured by ARMSCOR for use by the Recces on external ops. It's generally classified as one of the "copy" patterns, but I have yet to encounter anyone who can figure out exactly what this pattern is a copy of. The general consensus is that it was a generic DPM pattern, since DPM is so prevalent in Africa. I see your example has been shortened, and had elastic sewn into the back hem.

    How on Earth it ended up in Kuwait, I have no idea. Question

    Cheers,

    Mike

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by nkomo on Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:01 pm

    The tan duffle bag is an Iraqi Armed Forces piece. Saw a lot of these come back from Desert Storm. The marking is for "Jaish" which stands for or means Army.


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    Post by vonstuck on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:34 am

    mcoleman762 wrote:Hello Gilles,

    That DPM jacket is in fact a South African Recce issue piece. I have a couple of these myself. They were manufactured by ARMSCOR for use by the Recces on external ops. It's generally classified as one of the "copy" patterns, but I have yet to encounter anyone who can figure out exactly what this pattern is a copy of. The general consensus is that it was a generic DPM pattern, since DPM is so prevalent in Africa. I see your example has been shortened, and had elastic sewn into the back hem.

    How on Earth it ended up in Kuwait, I have no idea. Question

    Cheers,

    Mike

    I am happy to have another South African Recce jacket
    Gilles

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by vonstuck on Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:59 am

    I think it is only commercial
    Gilles








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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:21 pm

    I had a commercial portuguese "hunting" jacket that had similar looking cloth and colors. But I do not have it any more so I can not do a direct comparison.

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:37 am

    vonstuck wrote:



    US WWII parachute material
    The parachute material have receive wax or oil for give the garment waterproof











    I realy like these a lot,fanatastic use of chute material,I have some M1 helmet covers in this material,which I think is cool...but these are suberb I love you

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    Re: My unknowns

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:40 am

    vonstuck wrote:









    Mitchell is one of my fave US pattterns...I am most envious of this one...love it... I am very keen to find out more about this one,as I'm sure you are...VERY cool giles Cool

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    Post by vonstuck on Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:41 am





    It is not Italian pattern
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:58 pm

    Interesting. It looks to be most similar to Finnish, but I can't match it to any pictures I have. Remember the later type of Finnish camouflage is "rounded" while the earlier types are more "geometric".

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