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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by Crna Strela on Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:56 pm

    panzerwerk wrote:I could say the same for Cuban zelts ,never seen one besides the one I have . wish there were a pic or 2 probably solve this in a second !

    Maybe you are right, but as we know, the lizard camouflage is the regular pattern adopted by the Cuban Army, on the contrary serbs have worn green lizard camouflage only during the war in Bosnia, when the new Srpska State was organizing its armed forces....this fact makes me thinking that is much more possible that a regular army like the cuban one, that is regulary using this camouflage pattern from a long time, could have much more stuff and equipment in this camo, even something not so important and not so commonly produced by all armies in their own camouflage (like, for example, the zelts) than a small army, like the Srpska's one, that existed only for a few years and that was just starting to produce its own uniforms.
    So, basing on the same few informations available about the existence of lizard zelts in the cuban army or in the bosnian-serb one, I would be led to believe in the first hipothesys..the cuban one.
    I don't know if I explained quite clearly what I mean pirat .

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by panzerwerk on Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:08 pm

    Here is my belabored point I have already made several times , it is identical in cut to Serbian zelts down to the excessive number of grommets that seem to only grace Serb/Yugoslavian zelts ,the cut and size is the same , also I was told by a fellow collector years ago that during the beginning of the war , the powers that were in Yugoslavia received some Cuban fabric and was used during the war for uniforms and god knows what else as they make all kinds of stuff out of their camo (i even have a kids backpack made from the stuff), I do not Know if this is fully true or not , it was what I was told , Again , I have no problem with the Zelt being Cuban , probably would make it even rarer then Serb police version , but I just don't want speculation , yes the pattern of the camo matches the Cuban , I do not deny this , Cuban lizard has been used in a bunch of African countries as well , it could be African using that logic , Until a picture surfaces , or someone from the Cuban Military confirms it , it is an unknown zelt , I have never seen a Cuban zelt/shelter to compare it to , but the cut and style screams Balkans .
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    Post by panzerwerk on Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:25 pm

    I just pulled it out and went over the whole thing several times over , no stamps , no tags , no remnants of either , it is well worn and has a few small repairs , the corner grommets are aluminum, while the edge grommets are of a harder metal . I am going to try to find a pic of a Cuban shelter half and see if this matches .
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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:33 pm

    Very interesting variation of trousers! I don't think I've seen something like that before. The knee reinforcements are very distinctive.

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by elsasser on Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:55 am

    Hello,

    There are many variations of tiger camo. Uniforms have started to diversify with small self-proclaimed republics (Bosnian Serb, Croatian Serb etc..,) Then in enclaves encircled as the Bihac pocket or Srebrenica etc.., The uniforms were adapted to local resources and local manufacturing.

    Here you have 3 differents VRS trousers. Look at the color variation.



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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by Danger on Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:06 am

    This one serbian pattern is also nice

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:01 am

    Here is a comparison picture of what appears to be the three primary types of Yugo/Serb police lizard patterns:



    From top to bottom is the "bright" type (on thick textured cotton/poly), the "dull" type (on thin smooth poly), and the "blue" type.

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:11 am

    I have quite a few police lizard items now and the patterns seem to be consistent with the cloth.  Smooth, thin, high polyester type is "dull".  The textured, thicker, cotton/poly mix type is "bright".  

    The cuts of the items are also different. In the pictures below there are 2 different styles of shirt, 2 different winter jackets, and 2 different trousers (one is not pictured).

    Here are some of my Bright examples (I think they are newer??)






    Here are some of my Dull examples:









    Here is my one and only Blue example:



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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by koalorka on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:51 am

    vonstuck wrote:

    Another theory I've heard about this particular uniform is that it is an early Macedonian army piece, since they and the Bosnians continued to use the JNA tiger pattern after Yugoslavia dissolved. I'm still looking for any photos to confirm this.
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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by vonstuck on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:58 pm

    Krajina lizard pattern







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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:16 pm

    Really nice blue lizard shirt!

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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

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    Re: lizard pattern

    Post by dynamo.alex on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:27 am

    this is a very nice coverall, excellent find!
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    Re: lizard pattern

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