Another Dension - repro?

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    Another Dension - repro?

    Post by 5224 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:32 pm

    Hi,

    I should start by saying that i'm way out of my (russian) league, this question might seem stupid to some but for me this is unchartered territory:

    What i'm wondering is if this 59 pattern smock is fake or real, and if it's fake possibly what company made this repro?
    The little info I have been able to gather about seperating the fakes from the real involves the zipper being marked with "clix", the buttons with "Newey" and also seen a sample of the label and gotten some examples of the NSN number.

    All this stuff adds up. Why am I then so suspious?
    A. There are ridiculously many fakes out there, and from what I have heard, pretty good repros.
    B. The smock looks to be in good shape, maybe to good (but it does smell, awful).
    C. I'm really out of my element here.


    Some pictures (I will take moore if needed):


    Camo sample:



    Front:



    Back:



    Buttons:







    Zipper:



    Label:



    Thanks!

    /5224

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by fourtycoats on Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:55 pm

    That looks fine to me. I have had copies and genuine ones and your's looks genuine.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by zvez on Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:10 pm

    That's not a ww2 denison, I believe it was worn ca. the 50s and was called the suez pattern. as it was worn on the operation in suez in 56.
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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by 5224 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:37 pm

    Fourtycoats: thanks! Is it something specific that makes you think it's a original?

    zvez: that's right, this (if it's the real deal) is a 59 pattern Denison with full length zip. It differs in many places from the ww2, but it's just the smock I would like to have. Smile

    Have checked around a little moore and all reactions so far seem to point in the direction of it being real (this is quite surprisingly for me!).
    But the only real argument for it being orginal (besides that the zipper and buttons have the right markings + "it looks right") is that the size is to small for repro, apperentley they didn't make size 1 in repro? Does anyone have any moore info on this or anything else pointing in the real or fake direction?

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by fourtycoats on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:05 pm

    The 59 repros I have seen were all yellow in background. The real ones were yellow or pale yellow/grey/white. The repro labels were different from the real label such as the one in your photos. Also the overall age and appearance looks right. It would be possible to fake all of these things but why would a faker bother as the cost of real 59 smocks is still reasonable, unlike WW2 ones which are worth a fakers time and trouble to produce.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:09 pm

    I'm sure this is a real P59 smock. Beautiful condition, I might add. Often the beavertail is missing.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by filupe on Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:02 am

    Real. I have a similar one but with black neck lining and a unmistakably commercial 'Britorion' label.

    As far as I know there were up to 4 different patterns attributed to the Patt.59 Denisons and not even talking about the Belgian versions.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:50 am

    It's real, it's just in great shape!

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by 5224 on Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:01 am

    Great thanks to you all, i'm very pleased with your judgement (even if I have to admit that it was something else then i thought from start)! Smile

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by casper_platoon on Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:35 pm

    That`s the DENISON 1956 pattern Smile

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by misanthropic_gods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:14 pm

    The biggest giveaways for me (as a total non-expert on these things), is the honest wear to the zipper, the slight fraying of fabric and wear in high traffic areas, and the faded label. It just doesnt look new, there is something about an item made over 50 years ago that is just different, even than faithful reproductions.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by koalorka on Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:38 pm

    casper_platoon wrote:That`s the DENISON 1956 pattern Smile

    I believe the Brits call this the Pattern 59 from the year 1959. It's the slippery Belgians that have the M1956 Brush Stroke smock.

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    Re: Another Dension - repro?

    Post by casper_platoon on Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:58 am

    Yep My mistake, But I`m almost sure that the one that I`ve had a couple years ago was designated on the label as " 1956 pattern" It was dated 1956 or 1957 .I`ve read that they were introduced around that time.So maybe the earlier ones were marked as the 1956 and the later ones (after 1959-1960)as the "1959 Pattern" :wink:

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