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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:59 am

    ive also seen some cadpat that has a dark green tag is that real or fake

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:10 am

               



    this is the stock photo on ebay when i get it in the mail i will take a picture probably with flash off and the size is a little to small for me so im still looking for a spare one that will fit me and i won't have to ruin that one cause that one looks like mint until i see what it actually looks like




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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:35 am

    The "CBT" is not the most common one out there, just so you know. There are basically three types of temperate as far as I can tell:

    exposed pocket buttons (most common)
    hidden pocket buttons (medium difficulty)
    hidden pockets and arm pockets (very difficult to find so far, but will be easier as time goes on)

    I have a very good used 7044 CBT I might be willing to trade if that is a better size for you.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:02 am

    cost me a arm and a leg on ebay to buy this payed $93 in total i was watching a cadpat arid on a bid but it got to high so this came up and i bought it right away i don't have this in yet so i will have to see how it fits not really looking into trading don't like being scammed only happened 1 but it was $20. how is this one not the most common

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    Post by edstorey on Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:10 am

    There are actually four types of coat and three types of trousers.

    Coat

    exposed buttons
    hidden buttons
    hidden buttons - sleeve pockets
    hidden buttons - redesigned overall cut with new pockets and collar

    Trousers

    exposed buttons
    hidden buttons
    hidden buttons - redesigned with new pocket arrangement and internal knee pads

    CADPAT clothing are controlled items in Canada, so private ownership, sales/purchase can be problematic.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:01 pm

    is it worth it to buy a cadpat shirt with the tag ripped off or no and can someone tell me about this tag i see a lot of it on some pants and shirts this is a cadpat glove





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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:34 pm

    edstorey wrote:There are actually four types of coat and three types of trousers.

    Coat

    exposed buttons
    hidden buttons
    hidden buttons - sleeve pockets
    hidden buttons - redesigned overall cut with new pockets and collar

    Trousers

    exposed buttons
    hidden buttons
    hidden buttons - redesigned with new pocket arrangement and internal knee pads

    Yup! I was thinking about three versions of the "traditional" design. Very true the new ICU is very different. I have the ICU trousers, but sadly no jacket yet.

    And while we have your attention, Ed, what is the story with the AR uniform? Is it going to be in the ICU cut any time soon?

    CADPAT clothing are controlled items in Canada, so private ownership, sales/purchase can be problematic.

    Always good to remind people of this.

    CaptainForrest wrote:is it worth it to buy a cadpat shirt with the tag ripped off or no

    It's pretty easy to tell a fake from the real thing, so a tag off of the real thing isn't a problem IMHO. Better with, of course.

    and can someone tell me about this tag i see a lot of it on some pants and shirts this is a cadpat glove

    From what I can tell it's an older style label which is not found on uniforms since the start of CADPAT. There are some Pakistani copies of AR (any TW?) that use labels like this.

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    Post by edstorey on Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:31 pm

    I really don't know if CADPAT AR will be manufactured in the new pattern. There must be quite a bit of CADPAT AR still in the supply system left over from the Afghan conflict that I would think would satisfy the need for AR clothing for some time. But anything is possible.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:37 pm













    so the first 3 photos is the jacket the inside and the pocket then the other jacket that doesn't look faded like the other one has the tag theres like a $20 difference with tag and not faded or without tag and faded then the trousers are in my waist size but like 1 or 2 inches short in the leg

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:24 am

    if i can buy the pants which jacket should i get out of the 2 i can only afford 1 and 1 is faded and no tag and $30 cheaper or with a tag with name and number on it and better condition for $30 more. he also said he has a issued cadpat fleece

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:11 am

    That first jacket is pretty much as beat as they come. I bought a dozen of them for $30CDN many years ago when they were first issued (i.e. VERY rare). I got lucky and a supply clerk made a mistake and surplused them instead of destroying them Very Happy

    Don't get so hung up on this one source. They do appear hear and there outside of Canada. There's a Thai seller who had them quite frequently, though with the shipping it's probably not much different in price. But you could probably get a better condition piece for the same money.

    I'd not bother with that beat jacket at anything over $30 CDN if I were you. Patience will save you a lot of money.

    If you are planning on wearing this stuff, I'd think twice about that. No... three times. Actually, don't think at all and scrap any plans to wear the stuff. Going to jail for wearing CADPAT is not a very good way to spend ones time on this earth.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:23 am

    can't i just say its fake cadpat or civilian made theres no military base where i live i think the closest base is maybe 8 hours or 2 or 3 days drive so are the pants worth it its gonna be like $80 for the pants and the thailand seller i know is animalfromhell he had a couple of cadpat for sale some arid region as well

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:31 pm

    No, because there is no such thing as "fake CADPAT" that is in the correct cut/style as the real stuff. Removing the labels doesn't help one tiny little bit.  And there's a legal principle that "ignorance is no excuse".  If you get caught wearing it you will face fines and arrest.  Maybe you can talk your way out of it, but you're being incredibly naive and reckless if you rely upon that. One of our young members was arrested and $500+ worth of kit permanently seized.  He was released, but it was a traumatic experience.

    You're "playing with fire" if you wear this stuff within Canada.  Do not do it.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:38 pm

    is canada the only country thats strict on civilians wearing camo. what if someone wears cadpat outside of canada. so then i should just buy some milspex cadpat then

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by mylle on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:53 pm

    Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Finnland and Norway are also very strict when it comes to sell/buy/wear army issued camo stuff. Don't know if they are so strict like Canada. I guess when you wear CADPAT in other countries, no mountie will appear and arrest you. Wink But I also wouldn't like to test it in Canada.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:59 pm

    i have some swiss camo and finnland camo but its the older issue. so i guess if i don't wanna go to jail i might as well buy some arktis cadpat or milspex, hey steve i found this battallion coin in my 1997 german flecktarn shirt i ordered from finland i have no idea what the value is but i am gonna keep it i just need someone to give me a price so i know what its worth

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:26 pm

    Anything that a government has put onto the surplus market is safe to wear from a legal standpoint. Older Swiss, Finnish, etc. that are on the market are therefore totally legal to wear even within those countries. CADPAT has very few items in surplus. Helmet covers for sure, I do not know if there is anything else. Certainly not uniforms. So they are technically a helmet cover is legal to own. But technically legal is a bit of a gray area sometimes, so best to stay on the safe side and do not tempt fate by wearing something that kinda looks like a current issue uniform.

    Back around 2002 a company (FRONTENAC) made uniforms that kinda sorta looked like genuine uniforms from a distance, but not at all when up close. The Canadian government made them change the design to look more like a US BDU with a big "FRONTENAC" tape sewn on it. There is a Pakistani copy of AR that I've seen sold in Canada, but I suppose the government doesn't feel that is a threat because no Canadian soldier would wear AR inside of Canada out in public. Plus, the uniform has exposed buttons and uses the TW pattern and not the AR pattern, so it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

    The Canadian government has no legal jurisdiction outside of its own borders, therefore they can't do squat about people owning or wearing genuine issue uniforms without a massive amount of effort that likely would fail anyway.

    I have no idea what the value of that coin is or what it represents. Not my area of expertise Very Happy

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:30 pm

    i looked at frontenac but since i don't really want to ruin the cadpat i just bought you should look the milspex on ebay thats the one im looking at or an arktis which is a UK Company

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:17 am

    hey Steve this is the cadpat i was talking about the first one is milspex and the other 2 are arktis from the UK







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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:53 pm

    Looks like the Canadian government is OK with copies of the older style uniform (exposed buttons) with the addition of epaulettes to make it even more obvious that it's not an issued item. The Arktis stuff obviously looks nothing like the issued uniforms so that's fine too.

    Remember, it's not that CADPAT (the pattern) itself is illegal, because it isn't. What is illegal is being in possession of government property that is either not issued to you (i.e. member of the armed forces) or was not legitimately surplussed. At present time, CADPAT uniforms have not been legitimately surplussed. You should be fine with the Mil-Spex or Arktis stuff.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by Mk1rceme on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:06 pm

    In season 9 episode 5 of Trailer Park Boys, one of the cast members wears a real TW boonie hat. I asked a buddy of mine who works on the crew and he said several people wear the stuff on set. Can't get any more blatant than that wearing it in public.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:50 pm

    i contacted 2 stores in canada and one said They have an nsn, but this first version of the jacket, not the actual one.. still waiting to see a picture cause all i see is a fake picture still waiting for other email

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:42 am

    I don't know if it is the same for Canadian civilian made items, but for US and German NSNs are common. They aren't proof of government issue. Other things are, like contract numbers, unique identifiers, label types, etc.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:30 am


    hey Steve can you tell me if these are real or fake items the first photo is a pack and second is a vest if u need pictures of the actual item i can post it as well, i also see people selling stuff and it says its issued fabric does that mean its real cadpat or what?





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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:41 pm

    Both look legit to me.  The things to look for:

    1.  Green labels with black print
    2.  In English and French
    3.  Contract number (I do not know the format and parameters, but must commercial stuff won't even have a faked one)
    4. NSN
    5.  Manufacturer name
    6.  Date of manufacture
    7.  Wash instructions

    For the most part genuine CADPAT items have all of this information on them in one single label.  There are some exceptions, such as the gloves. The earliest uniforms had white labels with black print on them, but the label format is the same.

    If something conforms to the same exact features as a known issued piece of kit, it is probably genuine.  A label that conforms to the above standards confirms it.

    Do not trust descriptions.  Ever Very Happy

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