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    edstorey
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    CADPAT TR Labels

    Post by edstorey on Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:02 pm

    Early CADPAT TR Coats and Trousers had white labels with black lettering, this changed to green labels with black lettering in 2001.




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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:15 am

    hey Steve is it illegal to wear this stuff out PaintBalling cause its not in public if i bought some shitty worn cadpat or am i not gonna pass go and go directly to jail

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by ripcord on Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:27 pm

    Homeboy,

    I don't want to be insulting, but what part of illegal in Canada  don't you understand ???

    We have seen at least one  ( former ) young member and his family traumatized because of this same  exact thing.

    Great patterns, but not worth  potential prosecution and related headaches, including  potential legal expenses  you may incur..

    Have you ever had a dose of bullpen therapy ? I am certain that if you had, you would not be looking for loopholes and what ifs...

    Please take some wise advice  from those who have tried to enlighten you; find a different pattern to run around the woods  in, it will save you from a potential bad experience...


    Best regards,

    S

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:20 pm

    this is my anwser 1 im not wearing it in public downtown where there is a bunch of rcmp offier's 2 i have been paintballing for a long time and there is not 1 rcmp member that paintballs 3 theres no military here i don't see why there is a problem wearing it out paintballing and live in a city with a bunch of first nations so theres probably a low chance a rcmp member here knows what real cadpat looks like. maybe i should buy a cadpat packsack and have less problems or canada can stop being a fucked up country as it is

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by Wolverine on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:38 pm

    You don't need anyone's permission here to dress yourself Captain Forrest. In any case, this is not a forum for legal advice. Wear whatever you wish in the woods, but I hope the moderator(s) will step in to police your increasingly nonsensical (and semi-coherent) commentary. I suspect that most of us here didn't join the forum to read torturous stream-of-consciousness sentences laced with profanity.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:16 pm

    By telling someone it's OK to break the law... that's also giving legal advice. But really bad legal advice.

    As said, one of our one members was arrested by MPs and detained for quite a while. He was traumatized by the events and wound up losing $500 worth of kit. A vendor I bought some accidentally legally surplussed CADPAT from (long story) was picked up by MPs and was going to be arrested except he proved that he bought the stuff legally, though accidentally. They released him but kept all his stuff and did not reimburse him. Many of us have been threatened or punished by eBay for selling CADPAT even though we are not in Canada because it is against Canadian law and eBay is available in Canada. These are facts, like them or not.

    The only correct legal answer is that the items are illegal to possess if you are not a member of the armed forces and/or the item was not legally surplussed. Since uniforms and field kit are not legally surplussed, possessing them is a crime in Canada. PERIOD. Since wearing the item can not occur without possession, it is a crime to be wearing it. There are no exceptions.

    So please, do not advise people that they are not taking a risk by wearing government issued CADPAT in Canada. It is against the law (the laws are quoted on this Forum somewhere) and if the government wishes to they will enforce it. Wearing it is like playing Canuck Roulette Very Happy You can play the odds if you like, but do not lull yourself into a false sense of security that there's some gray area. There isn't.

    Steve


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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by Wolverine on Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:44 pm

    Steve,

    Respectfully, advising a grown-up to make his/her own choices about what clothing he/she wears is hardly an offer of legal advice, and certainly not a suggestion to break the law. As you have noted, the laws pertaining to CADPAT are a matter of public record, and forum members here do not need to be bullied or brow-beaten by someone who wishes that the laws were different.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:41 am

    well my friend wore cadpat in tim hortons and the rcmp where there inside and did not question him and i know another person who wears cadpat and same thing again they did nothing i don't think the rcmp where i live probably don't know crap about cadpat plus there is no MP here and theres not one for days

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:10 pm

    Wolverine wrote:Steve,

    Respectfully, advising a grown-up to make his/her own choices about what clothing he/she wears is hardly an offer of legal advice and certainly not a suggestion to break the law.

    When the clothing in question has legal consequences if worn, and you are advising "Wear whatever you wish in the woods", then you are indeed giving legal advice and you are suggesting he break the law.  Because he can not wear whatever he likes AND be compliant with the law IF that clothing is illegal CADPAT.  Personally, I don't care one way or the other what he does with the information I am providing.  He asked questions, I'm giving answers.  What is the problem with being better informed?

    As you have noted, the laws pertaining to CADPAT are a matter of public record, and forum members here do not need to be bullied or brow-beaten by someone who wishes that the laws were different.

    I do not like your tone one bit and I do not understand your attitude.  There is an obvious young person who is trying to figure out what the law is and how it applies.  This is a sensible and smart thing to do because ignorance of the law is not a defense. And CaptainForrest is obviously very ignorant of the law because he keeps coming up with "what ifs" to find gray areas that do not exist.

    I am not browbeating him and I don't give a flying fig what the laws are in Canada since they do not apply to me. If there is anything factually incorrect about what I'm saying, then please do challenge it.  Otherwise I put it to you that you are the one doing the browbeating and not me.

    As for the laws, I don't care what they are because I do not live in Canada.  As a collector of course I wish the laws to be different.  Who on this forum wouldn't?

    Steve


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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:24 pm

    CaptainForrest wrote:well my friend wore cadpat in tim hortons and the rcmp where there inside and did not question him and i know another person who wears cadpat and same thing again they did nothing i don't think the rcmp where i live probably don't know crap about cadpat plus there is no MP here and theres not one for days

    Although I don't like the way Andrew is expressing his opinion, I do fundamentally agree with him. "Wear whatever you want" *BUT* only after you weigh the risks and possible consequences if law enforcement decides to take an interest. We all do things which are technically illegal on a pretty regular basis (speeding is the primary one), but it's best to do it knowing what the consequences are if caught. Then you can make an informed decision.

    Also remember that CADPAT, the camouflage pattern, is not illegal. Only government issued kit is illegal. And no, I don't expect the RCMP to make it a priority to arrest kids wearing CADPAT so it doesn't surprise me that no action was taken. But if it was genuine kit and the officer wanted to bust your friend (even if it was because he didn't like his haircut), then he could have.

    Steve

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:05 pm

    im 20 years old since u keep calling me a kid legal age in canada is 19 or 18 for an adult and when i buy military camo i don't buy to collect only i buy to wear as well and its pretty much a shitty law throw me in jail for wearing camo is stupid and the other 2 friends that are wearing cadpat right now are like age 40 or 50 so they are not kids if u keep thinking all kids is like something is stuck in peoples head where they call everyone kids and u keep saying illegal cadpat is there a way to get legal cadpat and don't give me a join the army awnser or rangers

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by Wolverine on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:11 pm

    CaptainForrest wrote:im 20 years old since u keep calling me a kid legal age in canada is 19 or 18 for an adult and when i buy military camo i don't buy to collect only i buy to wear as well and its pretty much a shitty law throw me in jail for wearing camo is stupid and the other 2 friends that are wearing cadpat right now are like age 40 or 50 so they are not kids if u keep thinking all kids is like something is stuck in peoples head where they call everyone kids and u keep saying illegal cadpat is there a way to get legal cadpat and don't give me a join the army awnser or rangers

    Steve,

    I did not mean to suggest that you were browbeating us - I meant to suggest that Captain Forrest was browbeating us. I rest my case (sorry for more legal language) on the citation above. I am sorry if you do not like how I express myself (in more or less plain English), but if members like Captain Forrest join a forum and slander this or that nation (he notes several posts up above that Canada is fucked up), then he or she should expect someone to respond. If Captain Forrest does not like the law or the rules, he can write to his member of parliament to complain.

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    You are a Kid

    Post by edstorey on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:16 pm

    Until you stop typing your illegible rants; change your childish attitude and stop with the juvenile questions - you will treated like a kid. Now go take your camouflage clothing and play in the woods like a good kid!

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by Camo_fiend on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:16 pm

    Been watching this thread awhile and can't stay silent any longer.

    If you've got a problem with the law, write your MP. Criticizing the law on an Internet forum will change nothing.
    Members here have advised you as to your options and responsible courses of action and you persist in wanting to find a loophole. There isn't.

    Life is easier when you pay attention and heed the advice of people looking to help you, especially when they're all saying the same thing.


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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CaptainForrest on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:21 pm

    you are a kid as well i can do that to you know there are so many things in canada im trying to do but i don't want to rebarrel a luger to make it restricted cause then i would ruin the gun im trying to get a job but they want a full license and my N won't do it for certian jobs was going to buy come north korean ciggarettes for collecting or ww2 cigars and border services said i can't order those into canada even for collecting they think im going to smoke it

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    Some Advice

    Post by edstorey on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:27 pm

    The more your type the more juvenile (the is kid in your language) you look. Here is some advice, stop typing now as your posts are not making any sense.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by mylle on Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:53 am

    Come one guys, this forum is not ment to be used like this.If you want to discuss who is a kid
    and who not, you can meet each other somewhere in Canada. But that's just unnecessary if youre doing it here and in that way.

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    Re: cadpat TW

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:07 pm

    CaptainForrest wrote:im 20 years old since u keep calling me a kid legal age in canada is 19 or 18 for an adult

    You are perceived as you choose to express yourself.  Hopefully you will figure out that you alone have control over that.  You can start by making coherent sentences and using punctuation.

    I did not mean to suggest that you were browbeating us - I meant to suggest that Captain Forrest was browbeating us. I rest my case (sorry for more legal language) on the citation above. I am sorry if you do not like how I express myself (in more or less plain English), but if members like Captain Forrest join a forum and slander this or that nation (he notes several posts up above that Canada is fucked up), then he or she should expect someone to respond. If Captain Forrest does not like the law or the rules, he can write to his member of parliament to complain.

    Ah.  Sorry, I wasn't clear which parts of your response were directed at who.  Now I understand much better.

    mylle wrote:Come one guys, this forum is not ment to be used like this.

    Indeed.  Now I'll put my Moderator hat on, which thankfully I rarely have cause to do.  In fact, I often forget I am a Moderator because this Forum is so well behaved.  And that's just the way we like it Smile

    I'm locking this thread because there's no point in keeping it open (new CADPAT threads can be opened to continue that line of discussion).  Questions were asked and we (as a collective community) have fulfilled the purpose of this Forum by giving CaptainForrest the information he needs to make an informed decision about the risks of owning/wearing CADPAT in Canada.  Whether he wishes to use this knowledge or ignore the information is his choice to make.

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