TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

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    TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by vonstuck on Tue May 17, 2011 1:45 pm

    TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    47 is the year of introducing
    "modèle général" jacket 4 pockets
    The "modèle allégé" is a modification of the TTA47 but I have not find information for the introducing of the model
    The pant is identical for the 2 models
    I don't know why many people put another number after the year of TTA47
    For the TAP47, it the year of modification ( see my website)
    TTA47 was used until beginning of the year 80, the product of the "modèle allégé" was stopped after the Algérian war
    After Algerian war, only used in Africa by French troop because the camouflage was prohibited in France
    For the garment build after Algerian war, they have a stamp on the top of the shoulder

    "modèle général"






    "modèle allégé"





    the pant





    stamp of the product after Algérian war



    A "modèle général" jacket modify, typical of practice of the French troop in Africa









    All of these garments are in F2 pattern
    On my website you have any "modèle allégé" in various pattern
    http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/france.php


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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by koalorka on Tue May 17, 2011 6:39 pm

    Ah, finally solved the mystery surrounding this uniform!

    Is the model "allégé" an original cut or is it a modified TTA47?

    I received a late-model shirt last week and it came with shoulder ranks, but it doesn't seem correct to where such a disruptive item on a camouflage field uniform. Where the black epaulets really worn on these?


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    Post by vonstuck on Wed May 18, 2011 10:57 am

    "modèle général" jacket 4 pockets
    "modèle allégé" jacket 2 pockets

    For the garment build after Algerian war, they have a stamp on the top of the left shoulder, only the left



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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by Easy Gee on Wed May 18, 2011 4:55 pm

    Very cool sets,and great informative post ...thanks for sharing!!!

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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:37 pm



    Certainly Chad

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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by vonstuck on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:53 pm

    C1 pattern






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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by koalorka on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:20 pm

    That C1 pattern is stunning, how do I find a set? I've been looking for over a year.

    From what period/war does this originate?

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    Post by drmatz on Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:47 pm

    Very beautiful set.
    I was in paris in 06 and found one of this jacket at a local flea market. It was more like a store within the flea market, he was specialized in the indochina stuff and amongst a lot of cool stuff there was a jacket in same pattern, price? 1250 euros, obvioulsy i didn't buy it. Is probably still there.

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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by vonstuck on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:59 am

    Hello
    The C1 pattern is typically Indochina war period
    A set as this in new condition is no limit on ebay France
    Danilo, I think that you have see at 1250 euros, is a TAP52 jacket, not a "modèle allégé" as this
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    Post by koalorka on Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:45 am

    vonstuck wrote:
    A set as this in new condition is no limit on ebay France

    You mean to say the price is astronomical? More than the TAP 52 in the same C1 pattern?

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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:50 pm

    Between 800 1000 euros the set
    Difficult to say, but French collectors are crazy on Indochina war period items
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    Post by koalorka on Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:44 pm

    Crazy is right! There go my chances of ever owning one. Unless I meet a veteran and swindle him out of his uniform..

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    Post by koalorka on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:45 pm

    I have seen these uniforms referred to as TTA 47/52 in many French sources. Could the "52" designation refer to the year of the "modèle allégé" modification to the original service uniform?

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    Post by vonstuck on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:54 pm

    koalorka wrote:I have seen these uniforms referred to as TTA 47/52 in many French sources. Could the "52" designation refer to the year of the "modèle allégé" modification to the original service uniform?

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    Re: TTA47 "toutes armes" or "modèle général", "modèle allégé"

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:16 pm

    Gilles can provide much more specific information, but roughly speaking there are two groups of French Lizard pattern uniforms; TTA and TAP. The TAP designations usually have a slash and a year after. TAP 47/52 is the 1952 variant. Within that there are different camouflage variations which Gilles has documented in another thread.

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    Post by vonstuck on Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:04 pm

    And my website: http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/france.php
    I don't know why, but during 3 days it has not work
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    Post by zvez on Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:30 pm

    The TAP 47/52 is also being reproduced in a pretty good quality. I had an original set I bought in the mid 80s of TRAP 47/52 mint unissued. This was in my indochina collecting period. Got it fairly reasonable and can't for the life of me remember ever selling it, but don't have it now.
    Value has skyrocketed in this in recent years, so another goof on my part along with selling all the ww2 Denison smocks I had bought prior to a bridge too far movie!

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:47 pm

    Chris is correct. Be very leery of excellent condition TAP 47/52. The reproductions are very good and difficult to tell from eBay pictures.

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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:07 pm

    The pattern B1 B2 and C1 was produced for Indochina so you can says, pecialized jungle pattern
    The B1 for a very short time because soldiers don't like the colors
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    Post by vonstuck on Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:19 pm

    vonstuck wrote:The pattern B1 B2 and C1 was produced for Indochina so you can says, pecialized jungle pattern
    The B1 for a very short time because soldiers don't like the colors
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    Post by koalorka on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:55 am

    A good indication of time period for these TTA uniforms is the size tag format. Between 1945-1963 sizes were coded with only two digits, later they moved to the three digit system presently in use.

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    Post by kammo-man on Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:11 pm

    That C1 is stunning , if anyone ever has one to sell please let me know .

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    Post by vonstuck on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:16 pm

    Chad, beginning of the 80's


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    Post by vonstuck on Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:04 pm

    D2 pattern






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    Post by kammo-man on Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:13 pm

    Very nice indeed !!!!
    and hard to find these days.

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