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    My French Jackets

    Post by chevpol on Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:10 am

    Morning folks,

    only got 2 French jackets, A F1 (I think!) was told French Airforce, and a Desert one, (I picked this up for £5 last weekend)

    Enjoy

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:42 am

    Mark.

    Love the Daguet jacket Mate Cool

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:35 am

    Both jackets are nice, but isn't the olive one F2 model?

    I think it's F2 because it lacks two patch pockets with snap-on buttons, which F1 model has.

    Am I right?

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by belgium_one on Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:02 pm

    Hello Smile

    both jackets are F2 models ,

    early F2 have patch pockets and late models(yours) does not have !

    the F1 jacket was made for a short time and is not easy to find

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:44 pm

    Thank you, belgium_one!

    People often mix F1 and F2 jackets, so are there any other feature(s) which allows to distinct F1 from F2, besides short time of production and rareness?

    Introduction of any new model (F2) should have some reason and even minor distinction from the previous (F1) model...

    Thanks in advance to anyone who could clarify this point!

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by belgium_one on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:54 am

    Hello Smile

    with the informations I have found , I know there are two major differences between the two models :

    1 - the manufacturing year on the label : the F1 was manufacured during the 80's

    2 - the F1 model has a draw cord on the waist (a F2 early model does not have !)

    there are others minor differences but I need informations...

    I have found pictures of a F1 model :





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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:10 pm

    Thank you, belgium_one!

    Actually, I thought that the French olive jackets with draw cord on the waist were just women's models.

    Ad far as I know, the F2 jackets for ladies feature elastic band on the waist, as distinct from men's version with 2 smaller elastic sidebands on the bottom of the jacket...


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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by belgium_one on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:27 pm

    Hello Smile

    a women jacket ? I do not have enough informations to say that ! I expect to find this type of jacket to be sure !

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:15 pm

    belgium_one,

    Thank you for your assistance!
    I have seen the F1 jacket for women in a local surplus store. It had narrower shoulders, no rubber elastic band in the lower part, but it featured quite tough not adjustable elastic rubber stripe, knitted in the waist area.
    I can not provide the photo of that piece, as it was some years ago, but it looked like this:


    The French armed forces have combat boots for women (with more flat outsole tread pattern and zippers on the sides), so that's no wonder that thay have feminine version of olive combat jacket.

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    French Olive-Green Jacket - correct names and types

    Post by Mellon on Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:28 pm

    Hi,

    I wrote a little explanation about the different french olive drab jackets, in order to make it easier to everybody.

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:15 pm

    Hello, Mellon!

    "I wrote a little explanation about the different french olive drab jackets, in order to make it easier to everybody."

    I suppose you forgot to provide any link to you "little explanation", right? ))

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Mellon on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:20 pm

    Hi,

    Actually it's my second post in the "french" section of IACMC.

    Here you'll find it again:



    Hi,

    I saw this is a bit difficult for everybody, to distinguish between all of the cold-war french Olive-Green Jacket.

    Here are the proper names and history:

    -Model 1964 Satin300 (SC300)
    Made in cotton sateen 300 gr/m2 (hence the name), infrared proof.
    Non-removable Hood (often cut), drawstring waist (same as the model 47 TTA), two shirt pockets (2 hidden buttons each), two zipped breast pockets (opening bottom up)
    Only available in olive-green material. (camouflage means commercial type)
    Produced from 1964 to 1980.
    Used from 1965 to the end of the 1980s
    Standard combat and exercice field jacket.

    -Model F1
    Made in: 35% cotton and 65 % polyester, sateen 210 gr/m2
    No Hood, drawstring waist (same as the model 64) , two shirt pockets (2 pressure buttons each pocket), two zipped breast pockets (opening from top to bottom)
    Only available in olive-green material. (camouflage means commercial type)
    Produced from 1980 to 1986
    Used from 1980 to the mid 1990s

    -Model F2
    Made in: 35% cotton and 65 % polyester, sateen 270 gr/m2
    detachable Hood, elastic rear drawstring at the bottom of the jacket, two shirt pockets (2 pressure buttons each pocket), two zipped breast pockets (opening from top to bottom).
    Only available in olive-green material before 1991.
    In 1991, a desert camouflage, called officialy Zone Aride (known by collectors/airsofters as Daguet) was introduced for the 1991 Gulf war.
    In 1993, a temperate camouflage, Called Centre Europe (known by collectors/airsofters as CCE) was introduced for the intervention in Yugoslavia.
    Produced from 1986 to 2008 (for the olive green version) or 2011 (for the camo versions)
    Used from 1986 to the beginning of the 2000s for the olive green version. Still in use for the camo versions.
    WARNING: around 1994 the shirt pockets began to disappear. Despite this, the military kept on with the name F2

    I hope it's easier to understand now.

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:32 pm

    Thank you very much, Mellon!

    That's very interesting! Could you please clarify a small question?

    You wrote: "-Model F1
    Made in: 35% cotton and 65 % polyester, sateen 210 gr/m2
    No Hood, drawstring waist, two shirt pockets (2 pressure buttons each pocket), two zipped breast pockets... "

    In a local second-gand market I saw just the same jacket you described, BUT It had a removable hood on the buttons and a small removable piece of cloth, which is intended to fix the stand-up collar (during cold weather or wind) with the help of two buttons.
    I can attach a photo of this piece, if my explanation is not so clear.

    How do you think, what is the version of French olive jacket with removable hood?
    Modified F1 jacket?

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Mellon on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:40 pm

    Hello,

    Thanks Haydamaka

    Is your jacket with a rear elastic waistband or a waistband such as the french 1947-52 TTA jacket.
    If it's an elastic, then it's an F2 Jaket.

    If you can attach a Photo, it will be better!


    It can be:
    -kind of transitional model between F1 and F2
    -Commercial model (often encountered)
    -Something unknown to me: I'm far from beeing the supreme God on French military clothing. Smile

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:48 pm

    Thanks, Mellon!

    That jacket is not mine, as I wrote I saw it on a local second-hand market.

    If the seller allowed me, I'd make some photos, including the labels.

    If I managed to do this, I am going post these pics here.
    This wil be the best variant for clarifying the matter, I guess.

    Thanks anyway!

    Best regards,
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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Mellon on Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:15 pm

    Hi,

    I make some corrections in my explications above, about the "drawstring waist"

    My English is not as good as it should be. sorry.

    Best regards.

    Mellon.

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:14 am

    Thank you, Mellon!

    I will try to obtain the photos of the discussed F1 jacket with removable hood during this week (if only it was not sold yet...).

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:06 pm

    Hello, Mellon!

    Unfortunately, the jacket we discussed was already sold when I came there today.
    Well, local market is not a museum....

    The seller failed to prove or reject any details about that jacket, he is apparentky not so interested in details, only in selling of his stuff.

    So I can not provide any evidence of distinctive features of that jacket, so I prefer to think that you are right in your information.

    If I will have any approved facts, let's return to this matter again.

    Thank you very much again for your clarification and information! It was very useful!

    Best wishes,
    Haydamaka

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by belgium_one on Sun May 15, 2016 10:13 am

    Hello Very Happy

    I found and bought a french F1 jacket (manuf. in 1980) , soon I will make a review with pictures

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    Re: My French Jackets

    Post by Haydamaka on Sun May 15, 2016 10:42 am

    Thank you, belgium_one, in advance!

    Looking forward to seeing your pics and info!

    best regards

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