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    really weird pistol/SMG ammo pouch at pawn store; google no help...

    Post by CamoDeafie on Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:17 am

    theres a pawn store within 20 minutes of my new place; they have stuff from vets and troops...in one of their gear bins amid the ridiculously expensive leather and black nylon stuff; are a few 4 or 5 cell pistol magazine/SMG magazine sized pouches in lightweight nylon; similar nylon construction to M1967 and ROK LC copies; HOWEVER; they do NOT have LC styled webbing on the back, nor anything indicating country of origin...the closest I could find for them were the canvas IDF UZI mags; and thats because of the 2-button snaps per flaps for presumably 2 sizes of magazines...the weirdest thing is that the material is tripled over on the back, to form 2 tunnels for a web belt to go through, upper tunnel for wear like normal belt pouch, lower tunnel for wear as if LBV type or chest rig; then there's the inverted V formed strip of 1" webbing thats stitched on the edges all the way; with an eyelet on the apex for what I presume to be a way to hook them up to say, LC harnesses or similar... google has only shown either BHI type or UZI and Tommy gun pouches, but nothing like this...anyone know what this was for, or if it was mostly police stuff? I don't have pictures of it yet, but next time Im there, I'll take pics; it might be useful for my dad's 9mm carbine if it is not military issue in any nation (who else other than South American countries and ROK used LC styled stuff?)

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    Post by CamoDeafie on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:13 pm

    crappy cellphone pics; please forgive. also in same bin; Asian I think, or maybe IDF DID modernize their stuff; 5 cell UZI pouches with ability to go onto British styled belt and stuff; might be same source that provided the L straps I've seen before in OD with black ends; anyways
    front, 4 cell

    back; showing the inverted V with eyelet at apex

    side, showing the 2 belt slots for web belt, it is just as wide as LC1 belt, so presumably for these belts

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    Post by nkomo on Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:57 am

    If I am not mistaken, these pouches were US in origin and were for some sort of obscure LBE system. They show up occasionally and are quite uncommon.

    I have a few of these pouches in my collection somewhere. I found mine at the Machine Gun Shoot several years ago and the seller told me they hooked onto a special LBE. He also told me they were trialed by the US Govt. I am just passing on information that was given to me and can't verify it 100%. Not much to go on I know, but I hope this helps.


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    Post by CamoDeafie on Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:44 am

    interesting. I didn't pick them up, because today; my dad traded the NEF 12ga and 9mm carbine straight up for a Maverick 88 12ga 28" trap pump shotgun for me; so now I'm a happy camper; still would like to know just what the heck was supposed to attach to these pouches anyhow....

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    Post by nkomo on Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:34 am

    CamoDeafie wrote: still would like to know just what the heck was supposed to attach to these pouches anyhow....

    You and me both. The pouches are more common than the LBE system and both are hard to find.


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    Post by CamoDeafie on Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:08 am

    hmmm... i've just one thing wondering here. what WERE the US issue 9mm SMGs or .45ACP SMGs after the M1928A2 series? I mean; this was clearly designed for a SMG type of weapon manufactured at the same time...which was why I was thinking South American or ROK origin; but if it is indeed US trial period and there are mroe of these than say the M16 or M14 pouches, assuming it's from between the LINCLOE and ALICE program, maybe even during ALICE's MLCE/IIFVS program; it has to have been made for an US manufactured SMG that might have been around or trialled but never went into service?

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    Post by zvez on Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:35 am

    You had the m3 grease gun in 45 cal.

    During vietnam, sf used the S&W m76 smg in 9mm, which looked very much like the Swedish K smg also used in VN.

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    CamoDeafie wrote:hmmm... i've just one thing wondering here. what WERE the US issue 9mm SMGs or .45ACP SMGs after the M1928A2 series? I mean; this was clearly designed for a SMG type of weapon manufactured at the same time...which was why I was thinking South American or ROK origin; but if it is indeed US trial period and there are mroe of these than say the M16 or M14 pouches, assuming it's from between the LINCLOE and ALICE program, maybe even during ALICE's MLCE/IIFVS program; it has to have been made for an US manufactured SMG that might have been around or trialled but never went into service?

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    Post by 1stDivVet on Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:39 pm

    [quote="zvez"]You had the m3 grease gun in 45 cal.

    During vietnam, sf used the S&W m76 smg in 9mm, which looked very much like the Swedish K smg also used in VN.
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    The M3 grease gun also had a 9mm barrel that could be attatched to it. I'd lean towards that or the M76 since nylon web gear was a late 60's thing.

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