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    Canadian Para wings and patches help required.

    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:01 pm

    Hi Guys.

    Canadian Para wings and patch, can anyone ID them for me please, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks in advance Wink






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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:02 pm


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    Post by lammasulyon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:07 pm

    i think they are of the Canadian Airborne Regiment...it got disbanded in the 1990s for a series of scandals

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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:38 pm

    lammasulyon wrote:i think they are of the Canadian Airborne Regiment...it got disbanded in the 1990s for a series of scandals


    Cool cheers Henry, thanks for the info Very Happy

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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:59 pm

    lammasulyon wrote:i think they are of the Canadian Airborne Regiment...it got disbanded in the 1990s for a series of scandals

    These are just Jump wings, these are still earned today...while the Canadian Airborne Regiment was disbanded in the 90's, there is still Parachute qualifications done at the Canadian Forces Land Advanced Warfare Centre in Edmonton, Alberta. There are still Airborne capable units in the Canadian Forces, just nothing large like the CAR was.

    This is the former CAR symbol

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    Post by lammasulyon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:10 pm

    thanks for the clear up, i got confused between the CAR regt and the airborne qualifications...the fact that the CAR units was the first thing on my mind when i saw these badges. I think one of the airborne units still active is in the PPCLI...

    btw they look fantastic, i recon they look good on a soldier's uniform!


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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:12 pm

    lammasulyon wrote:thanks for the clear up, i got confused between the CAR regt and the airborne qualifications...the fact that the CAR units was the first thing on my mind when i saw these badges. I think one of the airborne units still active is in the PPCLI...

    btw they look fantastic, i recon they look good on a soldier's uniform!


    I believe you are correct about the PPCLI, there are a few others as well.

    I think the Canadian Jump Wings are one of the more snazzy looking sets of jump wings in the world.

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    Post by lammasulyon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:23 pm

    the coolest part of this badge is the maple leaf...has to be the coolest way to show your allegiance to your nation's airborne regiment/battalion/company etc...

    with the current way of fighting, i doubt the CAR would ever be reactivated...large parachute drops are now kinda obsolete these days, from what i read

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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:27 pm

    lammasulyon wrote:the coolest part of this badge is the maple leaf...has to be the coolest way to show your allegiance to your nation's airborne regiment/battalion/company etc...

    with the current way of fighting, i doubt the CAR would ever be reactivated...large parachute drops are now kinda obsolete these days, from what i read

    There is also a HUGE stigma associated with them. Some....unsavory....thing were done over in Somalia and there were some large issues before that, they have pretty much had so much bad press that the CAR name has been tainted for good.

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    Post by lammasulyon on Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:17 am

    A large part of why they got disbanded was beacuse of the initiation rites of the regiment, from what i heard contained racism down to even eating one's own vomit...its disgusting, but thats army life isn't it

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    Post by misanthropic_gods on Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:42 am

    lammasulyon wrote:A large part of why they got disbanded was beacuse of the initiation rites of the regiment, from what i heard contained racism down to even eating one's own vomit...its disgusting, but thats army life isn't it

    There were also allegations of Torture by the CAR in Somalia.

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:46 am

    I know the decision to disband the paras was quite controversial within the Army. Some career officers I've met over the years have spoken very poorly of how things were handled. In their opinion officers should have been sacked and the Regiment rehabilitated so it could reclaim its honor. They were very resentful that civilians decided to pull the plug instead. It came at a low point in civilian and military cooperation IIRC.

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    Post by lammasulyon on Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:24 am

    it terrible to disband a unit just because of a few scandals (not saying they should be taken lightly), but the people responsble for the disbandment rather ignored the regiment colourful history of campaigns and records...

    is there any futher reading on the CAR hazing rituals? im rather curious

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    Post by Easy Gee on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:40 am

    Thanks fella's, for all the information Very Happy

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    Post by Mk1rceme on Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:05 pm

    Hope I get this right...the first pic with the white maple leaf is for a CF member qualification. The second pic with the red maple leaf is for foreign military qualification.

    There has been talk about bringing back the Airborne...hope it happens.

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    Post by Easy Gee on Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:32 pm

    Mk1rceme wrote:Hope I get this right...the first pic with the white maple leaf is for a CF member qualification. The second pic with the red maple leaf is for foreign military qualification.

    There has been talk about bringing back the Airborne...hope it happens.


    Many thanks for this info, I was wondering why on was white the other red, cool cheers Mate Very Happy

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    Post by Spañiard on Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:13 am

    Hi all Metal CF wings from 1975 with white or red Leaf have 3 pins on the back, Some are Stamped William Sculley.
    However Dual Qualification wings have Two and are much smaller and the RCR are different from CF Issue.

    Both your Combat Wings are from 92., classified as Type IV.

    Can you also show pictures of all Backs of Patches and Metal.








    CF. Para Qualification Wings 1980 Type II




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    Post by Spañiard on Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:20 pm

    Spañiard wrote:Hi all Metal CF wings from 1975 with white or red Leaf have 3 pins on the back, Some are Stamped William Sculley.
    However Dual Qualification wings have Two and are much smaller and the RCR are different from CF Issue.

    Both your Combat Wings are from 92., classified as Type IV.

    Can you also show pictures of all Backs of Patches and Metal.







    The Last Metal wing on the Picture I provided is a Repo. Both your cloth wings white and
    red the Parachute I have issue with. Please note they make so many Repos of CF. wings ect.


    The picture of two different type IV, they are Samples that the CF. had made before choosing.





    The Bottom Pictures are US & British Combat, Canadian Qualification wings.






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    Post by Spañiard on Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:34 pm

    Mk1rceme wrote:Hope I get this right...the first pic with the white maple leaf is for a CF member qualification. The second pic with the red maple leaf is for foreign military qualification.

    There has been talk about bringing back the Airborne...hope it happens.

    The white leaf means your part of a CF. "Para Unit", PPCLI, Vandoos, RCR, for Today, pre 1995 it was the Airborne Regiment,
    that wore White Leaf aka Silver Leaf.

    The Red Leaf signifies you have qulifide in a Basic CF. Jump Course. Canadian or Foreign army,
    however the Cloth Wings worn By US, Briton ect., are differently made from The ones Canadian Soldier wear.

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    Post by zvez on Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:56 pm

    I'll add my few in. The canadian made subdued ones at the bottom of these pics, I'm skeptical that they're legit. Another interesting one is the top subdued wing on the other photo. This is ca. 1970s for US soldiers qualified with canadian jump wings. I actually got these at a shop in the 70s just off base when I first started collecting.





    Third pic is of one of the first refs done on canada abn insignia.
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    Post by Spañiard on Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:23 pm

    zvez wrote:I'll add my few in. The canadian made subdued ones at the bottom of these pics, I'm skeptical that they're legit. Another interesting one is the top subdued wing on the other photo. This is ca. 1970s for US soldiers qualified with canadian jump wings. I actually got these at a shop in the 70s just off base when I first started collecting.

    Third pic is of one of the first refs done on canada abn insignia.
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    There's been numerous US Para that have qualified in a CF. Basic Jump coarse through the decades.
    And have come across US Pickers or Estate Sales auctioning same or other CF. Airborne,or wings.

    On your first Pic the Subdued Canada Wing shoulder epaulet patch, notice the tips are rounded, these is the Old Style. The new ones in late 80, the patch was squared off.


    The small metal White and Red Maple Leaf are dual qualification, with the veins on the leaf. They were approved in 1989, however only Introduced in 2001.

    The one with the yellow wings is the original dual qualification wings, introduced in 1975. However some were privately made, in yours is it stamped on the back? Take a Magnet what happens, and can you provide a more clear picture, need to see the veins on leaf, the back picture of all badges or patches is needed for proper I.D., since Sooooooooooo many Repos have been produced.

    A More clear picture of the Very Little Metal wings.


    The second Picture.

    The Combat Subdued Wings are Repo, and both of the Garrason, aka Work Dress side by side would be nice
    to see pic of back. The One {W.D.} thats white leaf with the rounded wider wings is Real.


    The Dress wings with the Silver leaf are Repo.


    CF. Dual Qualification Wings, 1975. "Silver" Notice the difference from yours which is "Stainless Steel".





    Airborne Dress Silver Wings, CF. Red Leaf Dress Wings.





    US Issue CF. Red Leaf Para Wings, 70s and 80s.









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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:51 pm

    Hi.

    Here is the back of the Red Patch and Metal wings ( Nemo 84).




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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:54 pm

    And the rear of White Patch and wings, no markings on this one Wink



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    Post by Spañiard on Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:13 pm

    On your first Picture the Metal wings are real,I have some Issue with the the Subdued Wings.

    In Picture Number Two The Subdued Wings are the real deal, the Metal are Repo.

    Still will like to see a more clear pictures of the Yellow Wings I believe they have the Black Vein,
    and those small ones on the Top, No Rush if you can.

    Second World War Type I Red Maple Leaf Incognito.








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    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:56 pm

    Many thanks for your confirmation and advice, brilliant Mate. Very Happy

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