S2000 Para Smock?

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    S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:46 am

    I recently came across a parachute smock printed in the SANDF S2000 camouflage, it appears to be the same design as the older jump smock, but I simply have not seen any references to this new type. Is it a legitimate item? What sort of price should I expect on one?

    I'm sorry, I have no photos this time.

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:46 pm

    Yep, legitimate item. And very rare too. Be aware that there are two versions.

    The first pattern uses leather for the pocket, elbow, shoulder and crotch flap reinforcements. The chest pockets are slanted, and the shoulder pocket has a flap cover. These are quite rare, and are no longer produced. I finally got my example this past year after looking for one for years.



    The second pattern went back to Pattern 80 fabric for the reinforcements. The chest pockets are vertical, and the shoulder pocket is hidden, and closes with a zipper.



    Price is a bit hard to nail down, as these things don't come up for sale often. The few examples I have to go by over the past couple years place Type 1 S2000 slangvels in the $250 to $350 range. Type 2 go for a bit less, around the $180 to $250 range.

    It's also possible that you might encounter two other types, both of which are non-standard slangvels. This first one has been described as a prototype piece, and it very well might be, as I only know of one other like it. It is cut just like the type adopted by the SAP Special Task Force, with the sqare bottom pockets, and the zipper sides for wearing with a sidearm. As such, it was made by a legitimate contractor, even though it is devoid of any labels besides the size.



    This second non-standard type has me be a bit puzzled. I've seen six or seven of these over the years, which is too many to be considered a prototype. They use a very dark green shade of Pattern 80 material, which I've never seen used in any other SADF/SANDF application. The pockets lack drain grommets, which are present on all issue slangvels. And again, there is a lack of a manufacturer tag, which is also present on all government issue slangvels. It's possible they could have been a limited trial batch, but every example I've seen is unissued, and trial items usually get the crap beat out of them. In any event, there are a couple of these floating around out there, so it's possible you might find one.



    Hope this helps.

    Cheers,

    Mike

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:46 pm

    Outstanding answer, thanks.

    I believe mine is the second type with green pads and parallel pockets. It also has a brown fur-like liner inside, which I assume is detachable.

    The seller is asking $120, which seems fair for an unused large jacket.

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:15 pm

    You're welcome.

    $120 is a very good price, and you won't get one for much cheaper without stealing it. Very Happy That is actually around what I paid for most of mine, but then again, I bought them several years ago before South African kit was popular to collect.

    The brown faux fur liner is detachable, and both the first and second pattern S2000 slangvels accept them. Both of those non-standard versions, however, do not accept a liner. It's nice that the one you've been offered has one, as they are almost impossible to find separately.

    You'll want to snag that slangvel, they're awesome smocks!

    Cheers,

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:55 pm

    The owner sent me a picture. It was made in 2007 and appears to be unused.



    I'm excited about it, my first Slangvel and a camouflaged one to boot!

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:41 am

    And with a liner! Very well done!!

    I've got the odd slant pocket model Mike pictured above. I sorta had one of the standard type, with leather reinforcements, but I traded it before I ever saw it. I don't remember what I traded it for, however looking at Mike's stuff has made me a little sad I let it go!

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:02 am

    Interesting....

    If that's a legitimate slangvel, and it looks like it is, then they've adopted square bottom pockets in the last few years. All of mine, plus others I've seen, were made in the 90's. This one you've posted is the most recent dated slangvel I've heard of. I'd tenatively call this one a Type 3. I'd love to see photos of the labels when you get it.

    Oh, and Steve, you were a fool for trading that Type 1 with the leather reinforcements (just to make you feel better). Very Happy Nowadays you'd have a better chance of finding rocking horse poo than one of those! Feel guilty yet? What a Face

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:15 pm

    Hmmm, well this just got interesting. Good observation. I'll post some detailed pics when it arrives.

    If I've managed to surprise Mr. Coleman in the arena of African militaria, I've done well with $120! That is assuming it's not a hastily thrown-together Chinese polyester clone... Very Happy

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:11 am

    mcoleman762 wrote:
    Oh, and Steve, you were a fool for trading that Type 1 with the leather reinforcements (just to make you feel better). Very Happy Nowadays you'd have a better chance of finding rocking horse poo than one of those! Feel guilty yet? What a Face

    Heh... yeah. I traded it for the ripstop reinforced square pocket type that you pictured above. I hope I did it as part of a larger trade and got some mileage out of it! The one I traded away was dated 1997.

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:49 am

    koalorka wrote:If I've managed to surprise Mr. Coleman in the arena of African militaria, I've done well with $120! That is assuming it's not a hastily thrown-together Chinese polyester clone... Very Happy

    Heh, heh. You've done well for $120 indeed! Actually, South African and Rhodesian camo is the one area that the Chinese haven't copied.....yet.

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by Camo_fiend on Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:01 pm

    This thread makes me drool... I am loving these smocks! Smile

    The S2000 pattern is such a cool camo design.


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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:13 pm

    And the photos as promised:






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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:35 am

    Most excellent! Thanks for the photos! I see the label is on the liner, does the smock itself have a label as well? They usually do.

    Mike



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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:47 am

    Yes Mike, the jacket itself wears the same label.

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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by koalorka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:19 pm

    As requested:



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    Re: S2000 Para Smock?

    Post by mcoleman762 on Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:35 am

    Hi Raff,

    Thanks for the photo! Promptly added to my reference library....

    Cheers,

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