koalorka wrote:It's not a matter of talking to hundreds of people, it's a matter of simply referring to the Criminal Code of justice. Nowhere is it a criminal offense to poses CADPAT. Selling commercially or distributing from within Canadian Forces inventories is another matter all together regulated under the National Defence Act.
I've told this story several times on this Forum, but I'll tell it again. It's 100% true and I personally got the raw end of part of this event:
The first unit to use CADPAT overseas was the 22nd Regiment out of Quebec. This as a rotation in Bosnia. When they returned home they handed in their worn out uniforms (oh some of them were atrocious!) into supply. Someone there didn't get the memo about them being controlled, so they put them out for sale along with everything else just as they had been doing for years. Some got the D stamps, some didn't. A QC surplus shop owner bought a whole bunch of the stuff and had them in his shop. Right on the racks, ready to go. My eyes nearly popped out of my head because I had been told they were illegal to posses, not to mention sell out in the open! So what did I do? I bought pretty much all he had. Then for good measure I bought the rest a week later.
The shop owner had more waiting for me along with a helmet and cover. I went back to the shop and was told they were all gone. The Military Police grabbed him at an open air market and were going to haul him into jail. He said he bought them legally and they said "prove it". He said the paperwork was at his house, so they DROVE him to his house right there and then. They waited on his doorstep, pistols in holsters, waiting for him to come out. He got the paperwork and they let him go. But not before they raided his shop and took every single piece of CADPAT he still had. Despite paying for these items, legally, they gave him no refund. In other words, under Canadian law the Canadian government committed an act of theft (in US law it would be Grand Larceny and is a felony).
Obviously I didn't get my helmet! Fortunately the guy knew me for years and is very honest. I didn't pay for the helmet, but of course I also didn't get it either
Fortunately for me... the MPs missed a pair of trials CADPAT boots, unissued, that were sitting in their box on top of a tall shelf. So the trip wasn't a total loss as I now have one of the ugliest boots ever made sitting a few feet away from me
Governments do what they want to do when they want to do it. If you want to challenge unfair treatment, the expense is on your shoulders. If I were a Canadian citizen I would assume the law isn't on my side in this case and not do anything to attract attention.
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