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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:45 am

    koalorka wrote:For reference purposes, here is one of the better replicas out there, the 1970s-vintage Silverman's clone:






    Some of these were apparently worn by members of the parachute regiment as private purchase garments.

    Notice how the pattern is busier and more erratic. The "brushstrokes" also seem finer and there is a dark brown included in the colour palette.

    That one i believe is on Ebay now?

    I sued to own one and sold it as soon as i can as just didnt like it at all.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:47 am

    Tommo wrote:Just had a lookk at previous posts; I think there is more than 3 Official types?

    I've seen the early one like your's Gulf, there is two types of the Banana one; one with more green and one with a considerable lot less but with more Brown strokes and a brighter sandy colour, there is the late one like your Engineer one Gulf; I believe these are referred to as the '72 Pattern Style? and there is one that is very similar to the last version but with more 'circular' leafy style cam. I don't know if these are official versions of companies own 'hash' of the smock in 60's/70's but I have seen them all worn by Paras at some time or another.

    Probably just variations in the print due to manufacturers?

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:31 am

    Probably, I know they're are quite a few manufacturers of them.

    Quite a few of the variants on here: http://www.paradata.org.uk/media/16999?mediaSection=Photos&thumbPage=2

    Also seems to be an original one that is similar to the Silverman's version.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:18 pm

    A few more details from my newly-arrived P59 smock:









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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:20 pm

    Shocked Shocked AMAZING

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:32 pm

    Gulf91 wrote: Shocked Shocked AMAZING

    It's definitely in my top 3 most prized uniforms.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:40 pm

    I meant to post this sooner. Below is another example of a commercial variant. Made in the UK by J&S Franklin and almost nearly identical to the later "3rd" model of the P59 Denison. I have contacted J&S Franklin and they confirmed through their records that these were supplied to Kenya in the 1960s, but they didn't have any further details. It's almost an exact copy, but I noticed that it has 2 rows of 3 snaps on the beavertail, as opposed to just two snaps in MOD-issue smocks.








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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:42 pm

    Thats the type i mentioned earlier.

    Havent seen any around for a while now.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:26 pm

    There was one on ebay a few months back, similar to those in the Wild Geese?

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:43 pm

    I was wondering if you folks can help me with some insignia for the smock. I would like to dress it up with a pair of period-correct shoulder rank slip-ons for the para regiment. Were these normally worn? What style were they? OD green or tan plain background?

    I found these:



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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:17 pm

    Not completely sure, they are Airborne ones; Blue for Para Regt etc...

    As for Epaulettes, I think it was just OD with the standard Cream/white and green background pips sewn on.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:36 pm

    That type or the Tan type would be correct-light blue for Airborne i believe.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:56 pm

    These type would be more suitable, ones of the left, sewn on rank not embroidered.

    Or these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-PAIRS-BRITISH-OFFICERS-SLIDES-RANK-BADGE-EMBROIDERED-PIPS-/270842352476?_trksid=p5197.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26itu%3DI%252BUA%26otn%3D12%26pmod%3D190594441821%252B220882848355%252B310275224933%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3892411630945205463


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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:04 pm

    Not wishing to start a flaming war but what makes you say that Tommo as opposed to the type posted up earlier?

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:17 pm

    My Grandad served in the Sigs in the 70's, when I used to 'grill him' for info, I asked about his uniform and he shown me some pics of his; showing the Denison Smocks and Jumpers, they all wore this style of epaulette, he had quite a few pics of his time in the Army which he left to me, I must dig them out. I know he served with 216 Para Sigs, and did an attachment to another regiment but not sure which, but again all his pics with rank slides show this variant.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:37 pm

    Tommo wrote:My Grandad served in the Sigs in the 70's, when I used to 'grill him' for info, I asked about his uniform and he shown me some pics of his; showing the Denison Smocks and Jumpers, they all wore this style of epaulette, he had quite a few pics of his time in the Army which he left to me, I must dig them out. I know he served with 216 Para Sigs, and did an attachment to another regiment but not sure which, but again all his pics with rank slides show this variant.

    216 support 22 SAS. Wouldn't necessarily have made him a blade but if he did Selection ...........

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Tommo on Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:18 pm

    I thought 264 support the SAS nowadays? and he didn't do selection, just the usual P-Coy and Para & Sigs Stuff.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:42 pm

    I think I unearthed another interesting variant of the good ole' Pattern 1959:





    The small Bermuda Regiment wore these in the late 60s and 70s I'm told. These weren't exact hand-me-downs because they have some minor differences, perhaps a contract?

    From what I can tell, the zip is of a different type than I've seen on British P59s and the knitted cuffs are shorter. Snaps are "Newey, England" made and it has a conventional crotch flap even though the Bermudans do not maintain any airborne forces.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by kammo-man on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:59 pm

    BRING back Didgi Denison !

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:13 am

    Raff, it looks like a normal Denison -late pattern issue. I had a mint one once that had teh label at the back of the neck - 1978 dated it was. One of the very last to be made. Quality was definately not what it was on the 60's and earlier smocks.

    The zipper looks like a replacement. Do you think it is ?

    The knits look shorter - more like 1st pattern ones. Do they look like replacements ? Sometimes, as they frayed, they would be removed and one half of a cuff would then be rolled in half and stirched back on.

    Not to worry, you'll have a minter soon Very Happy

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by koalorka on Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:54 pm

    Hi Dave, yes it appears to be a standard Denison as the label indicates, but I think the zipper and cuffs are original, I've been looking at it closely and comparing to my other P59 and I can find no traces of any repairs or modifications. The zipper is neatly machine-sewn.

    It is kind of an oddball but maybe it was put together from odd bits and pieces by one of the contractors for the Bermudans late in production?

    You'll notice the label is odd too, I don't think the Brits ever labeled their smocks as "Denison" but rather "Smock, Parachutist" etc.

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:31 pm

    koalorka wrote:
    You'll notice the label is odd too, I don't think the Brits ever labeled their smocks as "Denison" but rather "Smock, Parachutist" etc.

    Quite correct too. We Brits do not go about labelling kit after those who invented it Smile Captain Denison designed the 'Smock, Parachutist'. And the Bailey Bridge although oft referred to as such, is officially a medium or a heavy girder bridge.

    And NOTHING has ever been labelled with "SAS" on it. "Special Forces" yes (such as the drybags), but never SAS. Smile

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by loski on Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:54 pm

    Gulf91 wrote:Thats the type i mentioned earlier.

    Havent seen any around for a while now.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Airborne-Para-Denison-Smock-/260980496198?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item3cc3a65746

    This one is on ebay at the moment

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by Gulf91 on Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:45 am

    Of which i bid and of course didnt win Sad

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    Re: Pattern 1959 Denison

    Post by loski on Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:24 am

    bad luck mate

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