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    RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by bond007a1 on Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:08 pm

    Here are 2 rain camo vests I just got in...each one is different....unfortunately there are NO date codes to track the years...my guess is 1 is early & 1 is later...but not entirely sure...any help oer ideas would be greatly appreciated...1 has buttons of the right & the other has buttons on the left & the pockets are diff...1 vertical & 1 horizontal...



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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by panzerwerk on Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:24 pm

    I think these were made by Sturm and are cut up tunics , I have one too with grey edging and added pockets up by the collars , the tags are like nothing I have ever seen in an issue item .


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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:57 am

    I agree. Sturm, and others, have tried all kinds of horrible ways to take stuff they can't sell "as is" and get them sold in a modified format. Popular mutilations I've seen:

    1. Vests - rip the sleeves off
    2. Shorts - cut off the lower legs below the knees
    3. Over dye - recolor the item to make it look "kOoL" or less military
    4. Shoulder bags - take a small pack or breadbag and sew a shoulder strap to it

    Various items that I've seen over the years...

    BGS Sumpftarn jackets turned into vests (one on eBay right now, in fact)
    Shorts made from British S94 and Swiss TAZ82 trousers
    Belgian M58 Jigsaw trousers dyed black, German Polizei riding breaches dyed black
    Israeli and 1970s/80d German BW "shoulder bags". Also seen these over dyed as well

    Things to look for to identify these items:

    1. Remember that if it looks odd to concentrate on whatever it is that has your spidey senses tingling Smile

    2. Look for stitching that doesn't match color and/or style of the rest of the garment. Sometimes stitching of over-dyed items retains its original color, which means something like green thread on a black item. That's obviously not original.

    3. Look for the tags/stamps. If the tags are dyed then that tells you a lot right there. If the tags are altered or added, that also tells you to be suspicious since nobody messes with tags almost as a rule (Sturm is an exception sometimes) because it's not worth the money.

    4. Sloppy work. I have a pair of British DPM shorts where the legs were very roughly cut off and a single stitch hem was added. This means the ragged edge of the cut cloth is exposed and prone to fraying. No way would any real military garment have such crappy work, but a company trying to turn a liability of too much of something into a profit would definitely do something like that.

    Now, have said that...

    I've seen some things which might look to be like commercial modifications but were in fact done by military contractors for the military. You don't want to confuse legit military modifications with commercial butchering. However, these modifications tend to be quite involved and professionally done to achieve a purpose not likely attractive to the consumer market. Some examples:

    1. Epaulettes added to KAZ57 Austrian dot camo jackets. Originals didn't have them, so they were retrofitted on when they changed to shoulder rank the year after initial production.

    2. Turkish officers have shoulder rank, but nearly none of the types of stock uniforms have epaulettes. Therefore, epaulettes are sewn in usually by hand with scrap material. They look like Hell Very Happy

    3. Swedish m39 uniforms made in the 1930s, 1940s, and early 1950s were retrofitted to have the same features as those of the ... damn, I forget the designation! (M50 something or other). This meant adding pockets to the legs, leggings, to the cuffs, and two rear pockets to the tunics. You can tell this by the different color of the wool and evidence of original seams being ripped and restitched.

    4. Czech reversible oversuits converted into simplified sets designed for wear of one coloration only. This was done to breath new life into very used up originals. Commonly called "reissues".

    Just some passing advice Very Happy

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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by grossmacht on Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:09 pm

    Yup,
    these are not NVA issue. the one with the lower pockets is a recut female FDU...
    a shame considering the fact that female pieces are pretty rare..
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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by panzerwerk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:02 pm

    Heres mine , a little different then the ones above , still not real LOL


    Below is another fantasy piece , Steve G informed me about these , modified Great coats into Tanker wraps .



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    Re: RAIN CAMO VESTS

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:26 pm

    Oooo... fancy vest Very Happy

    That cut down greatcoat is pretty damned snazzy despite the butchery.

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