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    Shelter Half's

    Post by Dariush Shapouri on Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:25 am

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:53 pm

    Hello Dariush,

    What is the material of the shelter/poncho made from? For some reason things like this are very difficult to get from Turkey. Uniforms are much easier, but still not easy Wink

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by Dariush Shapouri on Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:54 pm

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by panzerwerk on Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:37 pm

    I have a copy of the shelter half too , neat item !
    I have mine wrongly listed as Iranian , I just have not had a chance to change it to the right category .




    I also have this version of a Turkish shelter half






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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by Dariush Shapouri on Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:48 am

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:05 am

    Agreed! When in doubt about a regional border country, stick it in with whomever that country is allied to. In this case it's easy... NATO Wink

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by IACMC on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:46 am

    DONE...MY APOLOGIES...I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LETTING ME KNOW THIS SO I CAN PROPERLY FIX IT...CANNOT HAVE THE COUNTRIES IN THE WRONG SECTION..Embarassed

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    Re: Shelter Half's

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    Post by Dariush Shapouri on Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:54 pm

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by panzerwerk on Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:04 pm

    I think it is as I have seen pics of Turkish troops in Uniforms with helmet covers of the same camo pattern and colors, not the earlier turquoise kind .
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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon May 11, 2009 1:28 am

    Hello Dariush!

    Thanks for posting more pictures. There is not enough information about Turkish items, that is for sure.

    I regret to tell you that the SPEKON trousers are not Turkish. SPEKON makes a lot of commercial uniforms, including a range of uniforms in Woodland camouflage in old and current German military designs. The trousers you have are of the old German Army design (commonly called "moleskin"). The matching shirt is the old German service shirt, not the matching combat jacket. SPEKON uses a darker Woodland camo for the copies of modern German military combat shirt and trousers.

    I have had a couple sets and I've seen hundreds of them on eBay. All are brand new and I think all are labeled 1998. The labels are also modified German military labels. I expect the SPEKON items would cost several times more than items made in Turkey, so there is not much incentive for Turkey to purchase such things from SPEKON even if they were made in Turkish military styles.

    For comparison, here are pictures of genuine Turkish jackets and trousers. Both show traditional Turkish military construction (both design and quality) from different periods of time. The one most similar to the SPEKON type consists of a 4 pleated pocket jacket and pleated pocket trousers. There are several other types of woodland uniforms, but I have only included pictures of another one which is in an older style. The cloth is very different than the cloth used by SPEKON (rougher, lower quality, apparently 100% cotton) so I don't think SPEKON used surplus Turkish cloth.

    Here are the pictures.

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by Dariush Shapouri on Mon May 11, 2009 6:42 am

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon May 11, 2009 1:27 pm

    Hello Dariush,

    i regret that you didn't see the top of trousers pictures i post here. i already wrote that they made by GERMANY.

    Yes, I know. However, I think you misunderstood my point. The label in the SPEKON item is a German Bundeswehr type label with fake "Q" contract number (directly below SPEKON). It does not make any sense that a uniform manufactured for the Turkish military would have a German Bundeswehr label instead of a Turkish one. On top of that, the label is not even a real Bundeswehr label.

    Compare the SPEKON label to the one on your backpack, for example. Certainly the SPEKON label is not like any label in my 7 Turkish uniforms. In fact, most of my uniforms don't have any label at all. Look at the second picture of Woodland trousers I uploaded. See the white cloth sewn onto the pocket? That is a typical Turkish label. It is removed once the uniform is issued.

    As I said SPEKON is known for making commercial versions of Bundeswehr items in very, very large quantities for commercial sales. You can log onto German eBay any day of the week and purchase a set, even though apparently all of them were made 10 years ago. There are even two sellers who regularly sell these items as "Experimental Bundeswehr", which is absolutely not true.

    The SPEKON items I have seen come in several different colors and different Bundeswehr designs:

    1. "Moleskin" Trousers (buttons, not snaps)
    2. "Moleskin" Shirt (two pocket single button, not combat shirt)
    3. Current issue combat shirt (same as Flecktarn, with snap pockets)
    4. Current issue winter parka (same as Flecktarn)

    GERMAN COMPANIES produce uniforms not only for TURKEY, rather for SADDAM military,IRAN military,INDIA and PAKISTAN military and some of europian and arab contries.

    I have not seen any German manufactured items in general use for any of these countries except for Saddam's Iraq. Pakistan has an extremely big textile industry that is very cheap. I don't see how German made items could possibly compete with the price. Same for India. Same for Turkey. But of course, anything is possible Wink

    Iran items since the Revolution would be extremely strange because doing business with Iran, especially for military items, is illegal (at least it has been for a long time). What items do you have in Iran which were made by German companies since the fall of the Shaw?

    the woodland camo design of trousers i have ,are not old ,because they use these camo design in north AFGHANISTAN's heights now.

    To clarify... the construction of the trousers is old. It is the type used by the Bundeswehr for the 1970s and 1980s. It was officially discontinued in 1990 with the start of Flecktarn camouflage uniforms, which have different construction. So the SPEKON trousers you have were made in 1998, but the style of the construction is from about 1970 through 1990.

    (it seems that new GERMAN military woodland and desert camo designs has not befited in AFGHANISTAN's heights,because of this CHINA produces for GERMAN military afew limited rucksacks witch their model are simulated to U.K military's rucksacks.but they are woodland camo or so near to GERMAN woodland camo trousers.)here is the picture of GERMAN military rucksack,produces by CHINA.

    To clarify... Germany does not use Woodland camo at all for any use. All German Bundeswehr items are manufactured in Germany as far as I have seen. The only non-German company I have seen make items for the Bundeswher were made long ago by a company in Belgium. In any case, all items are made to exact Bundeswehr specifications and therefore trousers made by one company look identical to trousers made by a different company.

    The Chinese are very good at copying items made by other countries. The quality can be as good as any Western company or very bad (though not as bad as some!). Chinese companies have been copying Western military gear, without permission, for many years now. Sometimes they even duplicate the military labels! This can cause a lot of confusion, but it is almost always possible to spot fake items made in China.

    sometimes IRAN t.v shows the TURKISH military with same SPEKON uniforms.it seems that TURKISH military use this SPEKON uniforms in special occasions.so if i can take the pictures from t.v , i will send you.

    I would love to see those pictures Very Happy I have been searching for evidence that the Turks use the SPEKON uniforms, but so far I have not discovered any evidence of that. I would not be surprised if Turkish special forces use them because the quality is superior to the Turkish made uniforms. Special forces are also (usually) allowed to purchase whatever they want.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon May 11, 2009 1:37 pm

    Ah, one more point Very Happy

    The two SPEKON labels are from two different types of trousers, yes? Well, they are using the same fake "Q" contract number. If these were genuine Bundeswehr items (which they are not) the numbers would be unique for the type of item. Any manufacturer making the same type of trousers would use the same "Q" number, never different and never the same number on two different designs.

    Not that it really matters because the Turks do not use the "Q" system and therefore an actual Turkish uniform would not have any number on it, fake or real Smile

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by Guessologist on Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:19 am

    Jacket from Shelter Material:


    Had a little luck in a recent trip.....Unfortunately not fully reversible.



    Snaps:


    Front Pocket:


    Hood:


    Rear:



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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by drmatz on Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:33 am

    Very cool. Did you find it in istanbul?

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    Post by Guessologist on Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:01 am

    Sure did. Picked up a couple of things, but when I tried to go back there on a different day, couldn't find the place again. As if it had vanished..........


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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by DENO on Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:57 pm

    Hi everiybody Very Happy

    Some pics...





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    Re: Shelter Half's

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:10 pm

    Good find, Ben!

    Deno, thanks for the pictures! Some very interesting things in there. Especially the river crossing picture. Looks like an ALICE pack frame with Aegean camouflage backpack and sleepingbag sack. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

    Thanks Gilles for the comparison shots! Subtle differences are always good to know about.

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    Re: Shelter Half's

    Post by DENO on Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:57 pm

    CollectinSteve wrote:Good find, Ben!

    Deno, thanks for the pictures! Some very interesting things in there. Especially the river crossing picture. Looks like an ALICE pack frame with Aegean camouflage backpack and sleepingbag sack. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

    Thanks Gilles for the comparison shots! Subtle differences are always good to know about.

    Steve

    Yes pretty same as US Marines kits.Turkish Marines are also used same camos,weapons and kits of US Marines since 1950's...


    Look at these photo From 1974 Turkish Marines at Cyprus War.It's toyally same as US marines Vietnam style.Just the riles are diferent...


    Turkish soldier kits and uniforms from 1970-1980's...

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