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    NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:21 am

    Am curious - Aussie SAS recently in the news over their US made Multicam ACUs a) being wrong sizes - all too small, b) falling apart (not well made) Since NZ SAS is wearing Multicam too, anyone know a) are they using US sourced ones, like the Australians too? b) if so, what is the brand is it TRU-SPEC by any chance? c) are they experiencing the same problems?
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    Post by Feindflug on Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:00 am

    according to the pictures leaked on the Taliban attack of a hotel in Kabul showing some NZ SAS operators they seem to be wearing the US made Crye Percision AC Combat pants and shirts (aka Gen II).
    Other pictures available via Google show alternative manufacturers tops.

    As with the Aust SAS guys my guess is they wear what they 1. like to (freedom of choice), 2. find the most practical and 3. the easiest to get hands on.

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    Post by 2/1kiwi on Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:38 pm

    I have a issue NZ Multicam shirt tags are platatac, with trial on them, will post some pics when i get home.

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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by filupe on Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:38 pm

    Australians have been running with Platatac made Multicams for about a year now. There is some speculation whether: a.) SASR are still running with Crye made garments, and b.) the problems associated with the recent uniforms are to do with the Platatac or the imported Crye uniforms.

    Pictorial evidence has revealed Platatac garments are definitely used by at least 2 CDO and the IRR.
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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:51 pm

    filupe wrote:Australians have been running with Platatac made Multicams for about a year now. There is some speculation whether: a.) SASR are still running with Crye made garments, and b.) the problems associated with the recent uniforms are to do with the Platatac or the imported Crye uniforms.

    Pictorial evidence has revealed Platatac garments are definitely used by at least 2 CDO and the IRR.

    PLATATAC is not the brand, that is the company that imports them. Platatac carry Tru-Spec brand ACUs. We have a place called WARLORD in Sydney that carries product including Tru-Spec, Propper, 5.11 etc. I got a Crye MICH helmet cover off them very recently.
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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by filupe on Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:41 pm

    I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Platatac is a manufacturer, I spoke with their CEO at the last Avalon Airshow and he said they were flat out making garments for (then) 2 CDO's next rotation. Granted they may be made overseas but at least in the case of Multicam, I don't think Platatac are re-selling. It was quoted to me by a 2 CDO operator that the Crye sets cost the govt $720 each.

    Close ups of the testimonial pictures of the last couple of SF casualties, one from 2 CDO and one from IRR, clearly show the Platatac label on their Multicam shirts (which are on the exterior).
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    Post by lammasulyon on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:09 am

    whatever happen to the blokes that were going round claiming platatac products were not up to scratch? having been told that SOTGs are now issued with platatacs, i assume that their cleared their rep?
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    Post by 2/1kiwi on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:53 am

    filupe wrote:I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Platatac is a manufacturer, I spoke with their CEO at the last Avalon Airshow and he said they were flat out making garments for (then) 2 CDO's next rotation. Granted they may be made overseas but at least in the case of Multicam, I don't think Platatac are re-selling. It was quoted to me by a 2 CDO operator that the Crye sets cost the govt $720 each.

    Close ups of the testimonial pictures of the last couple of SF casualties, one from 2 CDO and one from IRR, clearly show the Platatac label on their Multicam shirts (which are on the exterior).

    yup mine has the tags on the bottom outer of the shirt.
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    Post by Feindflug on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:18 am

    I can definitly back Filupe up on his information!! Twisted Evil
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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:08 pm

    filupe wrote:I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Platatac is a manufacturer, I spoke with their CEO at the last Avalon Airshow and he said they were flat out making garments for (then) 2 CDO's next rotation. Granted they may be made overseas but at least in the case of Multicam, I don't think Platatac are re-selling. It was quoted to me by a 2 CDO operator that the Crye sets cost the govt $720 each.

    Close ups of the testimonial pictures of the last couple of SF casualties, one from 2 CDO and one from IRR, clearly show the Platatac label on their Multicam shirts (which are on the exterior).

    Just because it has a tag on it does not mean it is manufactured by them.

    Tru-Spec is one of Platatac's product lines. It's listed as a brand they carry on their website (amongst others)

    Platatac is not listed as a manufacturer on the Crye website's list of manufacturers

    Based on this revelation I bet Platatac bring them in from somewhere (Tru-Spec?) with their own tag on them then - like Wellington Disposals in Perth does with their own "brand" of ACUS and BDUs that we can buy exactly the same elsewhere under different brands (or no-names brands.) Common and usual in import/export.

    Other Special Forces units from other countries are getting theirs from China.

    So it looks like NZ is using the Platatac labelled ones?
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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by 2/1kiwi on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:14 pm

    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    filupe wrote:I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Platatac is a manufacturer, I spoke with their CEO at the last Avalon Airshow and he said they were flat out making garments for (then) 2 CDO's next rotation. Granted they may be made overseas but at least in the case of Multicam, I don't think Platatac are re-selling. It was quoted to me by a 2 CDO operator that the Crye sets cost the govt $720 each.

    Close ups of the testimonial pictures of the last couple of SF casualties, one from 2 CDO and one from IRR, clearly show the Platatac label on their Multicam shirts (which are on the exterior).

    Just because it has a tag on it does not mean it is manufactured by them.

    Tru-Spec is one of Platatac's product lines. It's listed as a brand they carry on their website (amongst others)

    Platatac is not listed as a manufacturer on the Crye website's list of manufacturers

    Based on this revelation I bet Platatac bring them in from somewhere (Tru-Spec?) with their own tag on them then - like Wellington Disposals in Perth does with their own "brand" of ACUS and BDUs that we can buy exactly the same elsewhere under different brands (or no-names brands.) Common and usual in import/export.

    Other Special Forces units from other countries are getting theirs from China.

    So it looks like NZ is using the Platatac labelled ones?

    I Have the under armour shirt(UBACS?) platatac labeled and have th seen the smock and tro all platatac labeled NZSAS Trial
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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by filupe on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:37 pm

    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    Based on this revelation I bet Platatac bring them in from somewhere (Tru-Spec?) with their own tag on them.

    You bet? Tell you what, how about you ring Platatac direct and ask them: (03) 9024 7500 Ask for Ben, the CEO. I'm sure we'd all be interested in the outcome of your conversation ...

    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    Other Special Forces units from other countries are getting theirs from China.

    Perhaps you'd care to share what evidence you have of this ... and why there are no Chinese manufacturers on Crye's list?
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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:47 am

    filupe wrote:
    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    Based on this revelation I bet Platatac bring them in from somewhere (Tru-Spec?) with their own tag on them.

    You bet? Tell you what, how about you ring Platatac direct and ask them: (03) 9024 7500 Ask for Ben, the CEO. I'm sure we'd all be interested in the outcome of your conversation ...

    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    Other Special Forces units from other countries are getting theirs from China.

    Perhaps you'd care to share what evidence you have of this ... and why there are no Chinese manufacturers on Crye's list?

    There are Chinese manufacturers on Cryes list: VOODOO TACTICAL is made in China; CONDOR OUTDOOR is made in China - they have had a license from Crye Precision to make MultiCam products since 2007; ROTHCO's "Ultra Force" products are made in China including their Multicam goods - have a look at the label. There is nothing wrong with something being made in China. The Chinese have better technology than any other country in the world in manufacturing. And you (the manufactuer) can CHOOSE to have something made extremely well (expensive) or extremely cheap and nasty. (cheap.)

    The "nationality" of the company that sells something is not necessarily the nationality of the manufacturer. Many of SONY's products are made in China yet we all think of Sony as being "Japanese" don't we? The whole point of this discussion is: WHERE ARE THE NZ SAS GETTING THERE MULTICAM ACUS FROM, and it looks like they are Platatac, the same as Australia. So the question is still unsanswered: where are they made? Possibly by Tru-Spec in USA or perhaps somewhere else??? Because whoever is making them isn't making them too well, going by the feedback from troops who are wearing them. Or has that changed?



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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:09 am

    2/1kiwi wrote:
    Flecktarn Australia wrote:
    filupe wrote:I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Platatac is a manufacturer, I spoke with their CEO at the last Avalon Airshow and he said they were flat out making garments for (then) 2 CDO's next rotation. Granted they may be made overseas but at least in the case of Multicam, I don't think Platatac are re-selling. It was quoted to me by a 2 CDO operator that the Crye sets cost the govt $720 each.

    Close ups of the testimonial pictures of the last couple of SF casualties, one from 2 CDO and one from IRR, clearly show the Platatac label on their Multicam shirts (which are on the exterior).

    Just because it has a tag on it does not mean it is manufactured by them.

    Tru-Spec is one of Platatac's product lines. It's listed as a brand they carry on their website (amongst others)

    Platatac is not listed as a manufacturer on the Crye website's list of manufacturers

    Based on this revelation I bet Platatac bring them in from somewhere (Tru-Spec?) with their own tag on them then - like Wellington Disposals in Perth does with their own "brand" of ACUS and BDUs that we can buy exactly the same elsewhere under different brands (or no-names brands.) Common and usual in import/export.

    Other Special Forces units from other countries are getting theirs from China.

    So it looks like NZ is using the Platatac labelled ones?

    I Have the under armour shirt(UBACS?) platatac labeled and have th seen the smock and tro all platatac labeled NZSAS Trial


    Interesting - love to see a pic. Does it say where it is made?




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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by 2/1kiwi on Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:56 pm

    Can barely read the tag, the shirt is well used lol, will post a pic when i get home am away at the moment.

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    Post by Platypus44 on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:22 am

    Hi BDC here CEO of Platypus Outdoors Group home of PLATATAC ,
    i see some mis information here.
    Whilst we cant comment on who , where , what we make gear for rest assured all PLATATAC Multicam is ex USA and legitimate.
    We make a number of Cuts of garments depending on clients requirements.Some of this kit is public domain ie on our web site, some in fact alot is on the Aust Defence web site, there have also been recent phots of our ANZAC cousins wearing PLATATAC head to toe , including our armour cover.
    An arm chair forum devotee should not make assumptions based on the 10 % of visible PLATATAC on line, those who have undertaken the HQ tour will tesify[ there are some on here who have.]
    i welcome anyone passing through Melb to get in touch we will show you some things to blow your hair back.

    My Special Projects dev team [ including myself]take immense pride in what we do and who we serve , we have strived for 23 years to earn the right to do so.
    Whilst others have ridden on our backs to a degree, we dont deny utilising ideas from our US and UK brothers, we are about a constant drive for improvement and this is proven by our sales from International forces.

    Thanks for your interest , one day we can show you more , the Platypus Historical Collection is pretty crazy there are lots of things that forums would say dont exist.


    From humble beginnings 23 years ago we are doing some great things for our end users.

    We keep an open ear and mind , our guys doing the hard jobs are too important to let down

    cheers

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    Post by Platypus44 on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:23 am

    on another note we have identified at least 3 Aust suppliers selling fake multicam , so if it seems to cheap to be real it probably isnt.
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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:20 am

    Platypus44 wrote:Hi BDC here CEO of Platypus Outdoors Group home of PLATATAC ,
    i see some mis information here.
    Whilst we cant comment on who , where , what we make gear for rest assured all PLATATAC Multicam is ex USA and legitimate.
    We make a number of Cuts of garments depending on clients requirements.Some of this kit is public domain ie on our web site, some in fact alot is on the Aust Defence web site, there have also been recent phots of our ANZAC cousins wearing PLATATAC head to toe , including our armour cover.
    An arm chair forum devotee should not make assumptions based on the 10 % of visible PLATATAC on line, those who have undertaken the HQ tour will tesify[ there are some on here who have.]
    i welcome anyone passing through Melb to get in touch we will show you some things to blow your hair back.

    My Special Projects dev team [ including myself]take immense pride in what we do and who we serve , we have strived for 23 years to earn the right to do so.
    Whilst others have ridden on our backs to a degree, we dont deny utilising ideas from our US and UK brothers, we are about a constant drive for improvement and this is proven by our sales from International forces.

    Thanks for your interest , one day we can show you more , the Platypus Historical Collection is pretty crazy there are lots of things that forums would say dont exist.


    From humble beginnings 23 years ago we are doing some great things for our end users.

    We keep an open ear and mind , our guys doing the hard jobs are too important to let down

    cheers

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    I think it is very kind of you to communicate that. Thank you for that. Much appreciated. I am in manufacturing too. And my products are brought in too. The news story that was run a while back sounds like they might have got their first batch from elsewhere (not you!) and things have moved on from there... that was the point of my question in the first place and my curiosity about whether it was the same for the Kiwis.
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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:24 am

    Platypus44 wrote:on another note we have identified at least 3 Aust suppliers selling fake multicam , so if it seems to cheap to be real it probably isnt.

    RAP4 in America sells it as "6 color desert" and it is pretty cheap. Wellington Disposals in Perth have Multicam products, I was there last month for a gander. Can't remember if there was a tag on there or not (didnt actually look!) I know Warlord sells the Tru-Spec stuff here in Sydney. They are just round the corner from Moorebank - ACUs and BDUs. I thought BDUs weren't what anyone was using these days, so quite surprised to see BDUs there as well.
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    Post by 2/1kiwi on Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:44 pm

    NZ Issue Multicam shirt as issued to the swift and silent Very Happy
    Given to me by a serving member and my cousin.
    Also a trop MTP set he snagged off someone and wore while he was in Afghan.
    Flag didnt come with shirt.
    Tags are platatac
    can make out XL
    Trial
    made in Austrailia
    SN?-842 60-158-1229

    Very hard to make out.

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    Post by Flecktarn Australia on Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:17 pm

    2/1kiwi wrote:NZ Issue Multicam shirt as issued to the swift and silent Very Happy
    Given to me by a serving member and my cousin.
    Also a trop MTP set he snagged off someone and wore while he was in Afghan.
    Flag didnt come with shirt.
    Tags are platatac
    can make out XL
    Trial
    made in Austrailia
    SN?-842 60-158-1229

    Very hard to make out.

    Cheers Dan










    Awesome dude. No pockets? UBACS? Like the MTP one too.
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    Post by 2/1kiwi on Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:21 pm

    Yeah UBACS, pockets on sleeves, slots for pads.

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    Post by 2/1RNZIR on Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:34 pm

    Tin ass!
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    Post by 2/1kiwi on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:49 am

    If you got anything shiny bro i could maybe send it you way???
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    Re: NZ SAS and Multicam

    Post by Feindflug on Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:17 am

    this little treasure crossed my way the other day and I couldn't let it pass by.



    It's not a Crye combat pants but a PlatATac one, which was sported by the guys of NZ SAS as seen in the following pictures

    here the guy on the right

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