Did the US Army ever experiment with REALTREE Cammo?

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    Did the US Army ever experiment with REALTREE Cammo?

    Post by Gulf91 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:43 am

    Amongst some other trs ive just received are a pair of REALTREE cammo trs that have an NSN label?????

    Were these ever considered/trialled or are they more than likely just some commercial knock offs??

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    Post by Philip on Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:53 pm

    That's just a size label which a lot of commercial manufacturers use. Just google the NSN and I bet it's for woodland trousers!


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    Post by Gulf91 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:05 pm

    Cheers.

    Also in with them is another BDU style pair of trs with a slightly different NSN number,sort of Urbanish in greys made by CAMO Distributors CENTRE,ALABAMA 35960 so another pair of non issue trs?
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    Post by Philip on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:02 pm

    All commercial...

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    Post by Kan on Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:45 pm

    There have been some items produced in RealTree camo for the military. Mostly for tests and special order.
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    Post by nkomo on Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:17 pm

    Kan wrote:There have been some items produced in RealTree camo for the military. Mostly for tests and special order.
    Kan is 100% correct.


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    Post by Gulf91 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:43 am

    Kan wrote:There have been some items produced in RealTree camo for the military. Mostly for tests and special order.

    So i guess they would have some from of different label if genuine?

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:05 am

    If the item was explicitly made for a military contract the label would have both an NSN (probably with letters in it) and a contract number. The prefix of the contract number depends on the timeframe it was made. A two digit number within the contract number shows the date of the contract. Looking at the two together usually provides enough information to figure out if it is legit or not.

    Some test items do not have labels with either a NSN and/or a contract number. But there's usually some other info on there which specifies it's a test item.

    One of the problems with US military testing is sometimes they will used COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) items. In that case there is 0% difference between that item and one available through standard commercial channels. This is where there needs to be some sort of evidence that proves that particular piece is "special".

    Generally speaking the chances are very low that a commercial piece of camo is anything other than commercial simply because of the millions of pieces of commercial camo out there, only a handful have any official connection to a military.

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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:14 pm

    CollectinSteve wrote:If the item was explicitly made for a military contract the label would have both an NSN (probably with letters in it) and a contract number. The prefix of the contract number depends on the timeframe it was made. A two digit number within the contract number shows the date of the contract. Looking at the two together usually provides enough information to figure out if it is legit or not.

    Some test items do not have labels with either a NSN and/or a contract number. But there's usually some other info on there which specifies it's a test item.

    One of the problems with US military testing is sometimes they will used COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) items. In that case there is 0% difference between that item and one available through standard commercial channels. This is where there needs to be some sort of evidence that proves that particular piece is "special".

    Generally speaking the chances are very low that a commercial piece of camo is anything other than commercial simply because of the millions of pieces of commercial camo out there, only a handful have any official connection to a military.

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    Prime example operation urban warrior where marines wore the black,white and grey camo and the prototype t-patt.
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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:16 pm

    Gulf91 wrote:Cheers.

    Also in with them is another BDU style pair of trs with a slightly different NSN number,sort of Urbanish in greys made by CAMO Distributors CENTRE,ALABAMA 35960 so another pair of non issue trs?

    I have 4 pairs bought from an ex SWAT sheriff officer same maker as yours.

    They have a blue tint to them but one pair has faided to solid grey and black shapes and looks proper sexy !
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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:21 pm




    The darker patch is where name tag and that went.

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    Post by Gulf91 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:23 pm

    Yes,thats the same pair as the one i was on about. Seem very made and identical in cut etc to the US BDU trs.

    The Realtree pair i have are the same cut and quality etc.
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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:28 pm

    Real tree stuff ranges from US army grade to cheap and nasty hunting stuff.

    I have a couple of sets, one set says real tree in the print and is a little nasty made, the other set is slightly softer fabric no real tree logo but is on par to issue quality items.

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    Post by Gulf91 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:30 pm

    I recently bought a bundle of trs-all US issue other than the Realtree and those Sheriff BDUs.

    The Realtree ones have it in the print and are the same type material as BDUs but have another of RT trs-again with the name in the print but a weird soft type material and non BDU cut.

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    Post by L1A1 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:48 am

    Field teams of BATF use a commercial pattern of some sort - may well be realtree.

    Look up the US seies "Moonshiners" where you will see them being worn as a uniform.

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    Post by msgt norway on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:31 pm

    some usmc recon units in kosovo conflict did use the realtree
    camies.
    the realtree bdus was not in usmc supply system
    these was private purchased.

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    Post by sh4pak on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:43 pm

    When I was at the Pentagon, I started referring to tree camo as CIVPAT. All of the contractors from West Virginia wore it in a way that seemed almost challenging to the soldiers there.

    I am sure that, in some instances, it may offer a tactical advantage (stalking), but I cannot help but think that the armed forces don't use it for a reason. There's been plenty of time to have developed their own, and even branded it, yet they have not. (I actually spent a *lot* of time thinking about that very idea, so if I sound dismissive, it is not intentional-- I mean, I OBSESSED over it, for a while).

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    Post by sh4pak on Fri May 11, 2012 11:44 am

    WOW!

    I'm not astonished, but I am amazed. =]
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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Sat May 12, 2012 4:35 am

    I have a set of ripstop cotton real tree camo BDU, mine are made by Atlanco.
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    Post by sh4pak on Sat May 12, 2012 11:51 am

    I'd be bold, and assert that they never took it to the next level, and pursued research into the "Tru-Leaf" variety, but to do so would be folly. They probably did.

    Gulf & Dave, for the win.
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    Post by sh4pak on Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:58 pm

    Is this:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-M65-Realtree-Field-Jacket-Coat-Golden-Mfg-Co-Small-Regular-NOS-1989-Date-/192034620571

    An instance of a legit Gov.'t order that got cancelled, or was it Golden, out to make a buck?

    Note that the tag is identical to the tags sewn into their actual Gov't. Issued garments-- I have an Olive 1983 version with an identical tag, with a variance being refelcted in the year. A DLA, and a NATO size & Stock No. -- that's what this one has, and the year is 1989.

    MY jacket actually has a "DBA" number, (dba100-93-c-6436) and the date code for 1990-- which leads me to believe that perhaps, in 1989, Golden got in trouble for using DLA's, and invented the "DBA" as a substitute, so's to sell in Surplus Shops, and try to compete with Alpha.

    Just a guess.

    At any rate, I will assert that the 50/50 Polycotton is not anything like NyCo-- far less luxurious (which is a weird thing to say-- but I have to say it. I feel the same way about NyCo as some people of taste feel about 1500 thread-ct. cotton)-- and the absence of such a fiber violates the spec. for a field-grade jacket-- which I think invalidates it from ever having been issued.

    Unless it was a trial-- which would not have lasted for over 4 years-- would it?

    Nevertheless, I like having the jacket, just to have one. It can be worn without infringing upon the valor of others-- and it *IS* a Golden M-65. Crunchy fabric, or not...
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    Post by 1stDivVet on Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 pm

    I literally just put a woodland Sm/Reg field jacket up for sale last nite. Looked at the tag. The tags are the same for the most part. Mine is DLA100-82-C-0610, with a 100% cotton liner. Mine also has heavy duty General zippers. This one is just Golden trying to make a buck in my opinion. Still looks good tho.

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    Post by sh4pak on Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:16 pm

    Merci, Fins-- good to see you again, and good luck with that sale. They've definitely appreciated in value since the Army Ethos changed.

    As for me, I've actually got four Goldens; M-81, UCP, OG-107, and the RealTree-- and I've grown sentimentally attached to all of them, despite their being stashed in a box. I cannot bring myself to sell them.

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