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    More DPM para smocks !!

    Post by Bury_Dave on Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:14 pm

    Some of mine. Sorry the pics are cr@p but i've done my back in and so took the photos i my attic rather than bring them down, photograph them and drag them back up.

    The early ones posted elsewhere but included here for completeness











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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:44 pm

    Fantastic

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    Post by loski on Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:41 pm

    bloody great

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    Post by Tommo on Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:58 pm

    Nice one! Smile

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    Post by Easy Gee on Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:58 pm

    Oustanding, I have one with Pen pocket, and FD pocket on the sleeves, which model is it Dave Question

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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:02 pm

    Easy Gee wrote:Oustanding, I have one with Pen pocket, and FD pocket on the sleeves, which model is it Dave Question
    After 1984 as the FDD was introduced then, also depends on camo print and cloth used. As a rule of thumb lighter camo print on heavy cloth is early, darker camo on lighter cloth is later.

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    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:25 pm

    Easy Gee wrote:Oustanding, I have one with Pen pocket, and FD pocket on the sleeves, which model is it Dave Question

    As B20 said, post 1984. There is no pattern specifically for pre NATO sizing or pre or post FFD pocket. They are all smock, parachutists.

    However, the type of material, zipper, label and sizing and tones of the pattern all point towards the age of manufacture. The later the date, the lower the quality. Anything made since 2000 is pretty shoddy, China-made crap.

    All of mine are pre 1995. The pre NATO sizing and just into the NATO labelling are the best in terms of teh type of pattern, tones, material quality, nice heavy blackened zippers and the cotton modal that looks white on the onside of the smock.

    Hope that helps ?

    One day I'll do a proper history with all the discernable types and dates - but not yet !

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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:57 pm

    There are a few exemptions to the rules.

    The cloth first used on the half lined smocks and trousers which was the first run on the 84 FDD. The fixtures and fitting are quality but not the cloth , bright camo printed on white cloth was a thin cloth. There are not many of this example of clothing both para and regular army using that cloth as it was bad. It was prone to splitting and tearing quiet easy.

    The regular army stuff trousers and jackets had a triangular style of cargo pocket to them. I have an example of the print on my para smock thread.

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    Post by bravo_2_zero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:04 pm



    This cloth, 1984 model that was quickly replaced around 18-24 months later with the DPM shapes we still have today. The triangular look cargo pockets were also dumped for the para smock style right across the forces on both trousers, jacket and smocks.

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    Post by Gulf91 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:57 am

    Bury_Dave wrote:
    Easy Gee wrote:Oustanding, I have one with Pen pocket, and FD pocket on the sleeves, which model is it Dave Question

    As B20 said, post 1984. There is no pattern specifically for pre NATO sizing or pre or post FFD pocket. They are all smock, parachutists.

    However, the type of material, zipper, label and sizing and tones of the pattern all point towards the age of manufacture. The later the date, the lower the quality. Anything made since 2000 is pretty shoddy, China-made crap.

    All of mine are pre 1995. The pre NATO sizing and just into the NATO labelling are the best in terms of teh type of pattern, tones, material quality, nice heavy blackened zippers and the cotton modal that looks white on the onside of the smock.

    Hope that helps ?

    One day I'll do a proper history with all the discernable types and dates - but not yet !

    Dave

    One day I'll do a proper history with all the discernable types and dates - but not yet

    Does anyone actually know for sure as on various forums there are various "experts" with a lot of conflicting info regarding the smocks.

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    Post by Bury_Dave on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:26 am

    I'm not claiming to be an 'expert' - only to post what i have found from smocks i have owned. And I am talking DPM here. Although the WW2 and post war, pre '59 pattern denisons are the easiest to categorize. I also lack the OCD traits to fully list EVERYTHING as I'm too lazy to take that deep an interest ! Smile

    I would also add the WW2 and '59 pattern sizings table i have. It has the length, chest sleeve etc measurements for each size of smock.

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    Post by kammo-man on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:48 am

    Love those warm prints .


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    Post by Easy Gee on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:11 pm

    Thanks for the info guy's, I appreciate it Wink

    I've had another look at it, it has a plastic zip ( which could have been a replacement) and a custom pocket sewn on the front ( compass pocket ??), but sounds as you described, thanks again.

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    Post by kammo-man on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:34 pm



    heres an old one of mine .


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    Post by kammo-man on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:35 pm



    This one had it all .


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    Post by Easy Gee on Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:01 pm

    Very cool kammo-man, like this one!!

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    Post by octoberrust on Sun May 06, 2012 12:41 pm

    My 68 pattern Para smock Very Happy





    with para wing and The 5 Airborne Brigade's Pathfinder DZ flash on the right arm, canadian para wind on the upper of right chest pocket


    liner

    lable


    with detachable hood

    thanks for looking

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