SCHOFIELD or VSR????

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    SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by bond007a1 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:33 pm

    OK...guys....I need some schooling in VSR versus the differences in Schofield....and I have labeled these as Schofield...is that correct? the one looks like the VSR...SO I AM LOST....





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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by panzerwerk on Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:07 pm

    From Kamoflage.net:

    Although collectors frequently refer to the VSR camouflage pattern as 'Schofield', there is absolutely no truth to the widespread belief that this is its official name. Dennis Desmond explicitly states, in his book, that he created the name because he first saw the VSR pattern in a photo of Carey Schofield, which was displayed inside the back cover of her 1991 book, Inside the Soviet Army.

    Its VSR
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by bond007a1 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:57 pm

    aha....THANK YOU VERY MUCH Steve!!! I am finally glad to know that....

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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:26 am

    Yes, definitely VSR. The patterns are generally named after the internal departments that use them. In this case, VSR = Armed Forces of Russia.

    I love the mustardy colored variants!

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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by micheev on Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:52 am

    VSR - there is not such name. These patterns (and many other) are worked out during a project Bhutan (НИОКР "Бутан", "Бутан - П") (1982 - 1984).
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by panzerwerk on Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:15 pm

    VSR - there is not such name. These patterns (and many other) are worked out during a project Bhutan (НИОКР "Бутан", "Бутан - П") (1982 - 1984).

    Maybe so , but it is more generally known in western collecting as VSR, Vooruzhennyye sily Rossii ('Armed Forces of Russia'; abbrev. VSR)
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by vonstuck on Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:55 pm

    VSR



    My new set







    compare with VSR




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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by fanxiaojun on Thu May 15, 2014 12:56 am

    I want to buy some VSR -93 4 pockets summer suit ,but now they are very hard to find ,can some big brother tell me where to buy? Very Happy 
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Tue May 20, 2014 11:32 pm

    Very nice early model VSR sets Gilles. The Russians experimented with several strange fabrics at this time (1993). I'm currently importing one with an appalling material, which I will photograph in a few days.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:49 am

    fanxiaojun wrote:I want to buy some VSR -93  4 pockets summer suit ,but now they are very hard to find ,can some big brother tell me where to buy? Very Happy 

    There's a seller in Poland with no less than 100 uniforms in various colours on sale. In small sizes mind you. Let me know if you're still looking, I can forward you his email.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:29 pm

    One of my favourite families of camouflage!

    I'm going to provide a run-down of several field uniforms and vests printed in VSR camouflage over the course of the 90s, through the pattern was no doubt developed quite a bit earlier in the 80s. There are two main generations of VSR: Soviet-spec (identical in construction to Soviet-patterned uniforms) and newer Russian-spec. uniforms.

    The first variant was identical to the standard M1982 (sometime referred to as M88) "Afghanka" field uniform, and carried the same specification code as the Soviet precursor: TU 17-08-172-82. This uniform was made in numerous colour variants (intentional or not is up for debate) and widely circulated in 1993 until 1994, with limited issue since 1991.

    Below are several examples of the wide range of colours and fabrics.

    1993 example in a "mustard" colour scheme.





    Darker "forest" colours from 1993 in a different type of fabric of much coarser grain. Probably an experimental fabric since there were series of uniforms released in these odd textiles, and none were standardized in the second generation of VSR uniforms.





    The most common class of fabric was 3225 as seen here, which has a slight satin sheen to it, uniform from 1993:





    Another type of fabric, 4050, probably one of the glass fibre-reinforced types:





    1994 "mustard" set in yet another fabric - 3156, not sure what the difference is:





    Another trial fabric, a very pure grade of cotton which results in a characteristic "linting", 1993:





    The airborne forces received their own unique uniform in VSR, which is identical in cut to the late series Soviet VDV "butane"/TTsKO and has the same spec. code: TU 17-08-189-83 and all of the familiar features, such as internal pistol holster with lanyard, no waist pockets on the tunic and magazine compartments in the thigh pockets on the trousers.







    And finally this ground attack aviator uniform. It's not clear to my why it was made because they don't appear after 1994 as the Russian Air Force seems to have decided to remain with butane uniforms, which continue to be used to this day.



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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:01 pm

    At the same time, numerous pieces of webbing and vests were made in VSR, with two unusual cotton vests shown here, both from NPO-SM, the MVD's preferred supplier for uniforms and body armour.

    Type I:





    Type II:





    The latter was also made in nearly the same style but in SMK nylon fabric.

    The second generation of VSR uniforms were developed in 1994, but probably didn't appear widely until at least 1996 or later, and remained in use well into the 2000s, alongside the newer Flora pattern, commonly seen during the second Chechen War.

    The modernized uniform appeared to standardize the fabric and the range of colours was also much less dramatic than with the early uniforms (now mostly green-dominant). There were minor differences in the cut and most notably a mesh was used in the underarms for better cooling. TU code TU 858-5325-94.





    The second generation VDV uniform is simplified relative to the first Soviet-derived set; it lacks the internal pistol holster, the epaulets are shorter and the pant pouches have single compartments, otherwise very similar. Spec code is the same as the 6-pocket all arms set.





    And a few more variants that don't fall into the two previous groups:

    Ukrainian-made set, in tan-dominant colours. No implication that it was used in the Ukraine, as it is most likely a contract piece for the Russian forces.





    Belorussian uniform in a VSR-like pattern:





    Lightweight KM-A type uniform in VSR, unknown production date:





    And the flame red versions made for the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations (EMERCOM) by NPO-SM in summer and winter versions:





    Finally, a common commercial hunting/angling uniform. Glossy black buttons, very coarse weave fabric and only cloth size tags for identification.

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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by mylle on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:05 pm

    Very nice and impressive batch.Some colorations I have never seen before.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by vonstuck on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:19 pm

    koalorka wrote:

    Belorussian uniform in a VSR-like pattern:





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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by dynamo.alex on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:26 pm

    that's a good question vonstuck ... the writing on the stamp mark is 100% ukrainian ...
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:53 pm

    Gah! Good point, that's Ukrainian writing for sure. Thanks for the correction.

    So another Ukrainian-made variation. I have yet to find a period photo showing this pattern in service in either Russia or Ukraine.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by dynamo.alex on Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:10 pm

    well I think I saw a few pictures of Ukrainian peacekeepers within either UNPROFOR or IFOR in Bosnia wearing some sort of "VSR" pattern like this (might not have been full uniforms, more likely winter jackets or helmet covers etc.) ... I will try to dig out the pictures and post them here ...
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by dynamo.alex on Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:12 pm

    oh and btw. your collection of "VSR" patterns is just astonishing and what is more this camo is my altime favorite and you are killing me with every picture just a little bit more ... thanks for posting this stuff koalorka!!! this is really great!!!
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:59 pm

    dynamo.alex wrote:well I think I saw a few pictures of Ukrainian peacekeepers within either UNPROFOR or IFOR in Bosnia wearing some sort of "VSR" pattern like this (might not have been full uniforms, more likely winter jackets or helmet covers etc.) ... I will try to dig out the pictures and post them here ...

    That would be wonderful.

    And thanks for your compliment, VSR is aesthetically my favourite Russian camouflage pattern, and they're not terribly overpriced like Butane or MVD uniforms, which is great for us collectors.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by dynamo.alex on Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:10 am

    you're welcome! and yes you're right, "VSR" sets can be get for normal prices, luckily Smile
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:42 pm

    Another two unique items in VSR to add to the long list:

    VDV jump helmet, same design as the preceding Soviet model:



    Assault vest which resembles a VV-1 model made by ANA in the 90s for the MVD. High contrasting colours indicate it was probably made in the mid to late 90s.




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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by vicka1971 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:34 am

    Hi there,

    Nice paratrooper helmet. Is this helmet have markings inside? Sincerely,Vitalis
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:08 am

    No, no markings at all. I know the Soviet helmets had a square stamp inside the ear flap.
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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by vonstuck on Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:32 pm

    KLMK garment









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    Re: SCHOFIELD or VSR????

    Post by koalorka on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:26 am

    Very nice colours on the first one. Any manufacturing stamps present?

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