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    Bury_Dave
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    Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sat May 19, 2012 1:18 pm

    A nicely badged and used example. Size large reg in ripstop DCU



    Unusual as it still has all four of its' pockets on the body.

    I rather like it Very Happy

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by John Brown on Sat May 19, 2012 1:52 pm

    As has been mentioned before, just because there's a Ranger tab doesn't make the owner a Ranger.

    It is quite common for officers (of any branch) to use the Ranger course as a "ticket puncher" in order to forward their advancement.



    OTOH, if you see an enlisted uniform with a Ranger tab, it's quite likely that person actually was a Ranger (served in a Ranger unit).

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sat May 19, 2012 1:54 pm

    So you're saying that this isn't a Ranger BDU then ?

    Mind you, i could care less, i like it and that is what collecting is about - pleasing yourself before pleasing anyone else Smile

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by John Brown on Sat May 19, 2012 2:09 pm

    Bury_Dave wrote:So you're saying that this isn't a Ranger BDU then ?
    Unless you can search the name and ascertain for sure, the odds of it belonging to an actual Ranger officer are low.

    The sleeve pocket modifications got to be "fairly common" in deployed combat arms units before the ACU came along, so they don't really tell us anything.

    Bury_Dave wrote:Mind you, i could care less, i like it and that is what collecting is about - pleasing yourself before pleasing anyone else Smile
    Yep Smile

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sat May 19, 2012 2:27 pm

    So you can't actually say yourself that this is definately NOT a Ranger officer's BDU then ? Are you saying the badges were - in your opinion - put on the BDU to make it more saleable ? Are you taking a presumption of fake based on probability or personal bias and without knowing the story behind it ? Or are you saying the BDU and badges are genuine but that the wearer may not have been actually serving with a Ranger battalion.

    Bearing in mind it came from a fellow collector who got it from the guy who traded for it originally (An ebay seller and 24 year Para Regt veteran I know personally and who told me it was from a Ranger officer ....), I will take my provenance over your unprovable opinion and thank you for trying to pi55 on my parade Wink

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sat May 19, 2012 2:27 pm

    Like John Brown stated, it is not a Ranger DCU. The Ranger tab is earned by anyone who went through the Ranger School. Authorized to be worn above SSI of the current unit and airborne tab. It is one of ways to "show off" skills. Therefore this is not a Ranger Regiment DCU. I hope it will clear up the many misconception about a uniform with Ranger tab being a Ranger uniform. Cheers.

    The actual Ranger Regiment weren't authorized to wear SSI on their uniforms.


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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sat May 19, 2012 2:34 pm

    Bury_Dave wrote:So you can't actually say yourself that this is definately NOT a Ranger officer's BDU then ? Are you saying the badges were - in your opinion - put on the BDU to make it more saleable ? Are you taking a presumption of fake based on probability or personal bias and without knowing the story behind it ? Or are you saying the BDU and badges are genuine but that the wearer may not have been actually serving with a Ranger battalion.

    Bearing in mind it came from a fellow collector who got it from the guy who traded for it originally (An ebay seller and 24 year Para Regt veteran I know personally and who told me it was from a Ranger officer ....), I will take my provenance over your unprovable opinion and thank you for trying to pi55 on my parade Wink

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    First of all, Jason Brown didn't rain on your parade. What he stated was a fact. The fact is your DCU is a officer of 3rd Infantry Division. Granted, he may or may not been in the 75th Ranger Regiment. but he earned this tab by going through Ranger School.

    Second, he never say that your DCU is fake. There are some non-Ranger DCU's with Ranger tabs out there which is normal.


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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by John Brown on Sat May 19, 2012 2:37 pm

    Bury_Dave wrote:So you can't actually say yourself that this is definately NOT a Ranger officer's BDU then ? Are you saying the badges were - in your opinion - put on the BDU to make it more saleable ? Are you taking a presumption of fake based on probability or personal bias and without knowing the story behind it ?
    I did not say any of that.

    Bury_Dave wrote:Or are you saying the BDU and badges are genuine but that the wearer may not have been actually serving with a Ranger battalion.
    This is closer to what I'm saying.

    Bury_Dave wrote:Bearing in mind it came from a fellow collector who got it from the guy who traded for it originally (An ebay seller and 24 year Para Regt veteran I know personally and who told me it was from a Ranger officer ....), I will take my provenance over your unprovable opinion and thank you for trying to pi55 on my parade Wink

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    Not trying to piss on your parade. Your officer did succeed in passing the Ranger school (which isn't easy at all), but odds are low that he actually served in a Ranger unit.

    BTW, it's not an opinion. Anyone who's served in the U.S. Army and paid attention has seen all the officers wearing Ranger tabs (far too many to have all held billets in a Ranger unit). As I said in my first post, Ranger school is used by officers for "career advancement" purposes. Once you pass the course, you wear the tab for the rest of your career (no serving in a Ranger unit necessary).

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sat May 19, 2012 2:38 pm

    Here is a picture of the 75th Ranger Regiment modified DCU's.





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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sat May 19, 2012 2:45 pm

    Remember Pat Tillerman, NFL star turned to Ranger who got killed by friendly fire?



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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Sat May 19, 2012 2:49 pm

    Mercenary, I'm sure Mr Brown appreciates you jumping to his aid but is suspect he is a big boy and able to look after himself.

    What I didn't appreciate in the first post is someone coming up and saying that the odds of it being a Ranger officer's BDU are low with no explanation.We do not base judgements on probablities but on facts and details. I am here to learn but a comment to the effect that it's unlikely that what you've got is real and nothing else isn't exactly polite or in the spirit of this forum. Plenty of folk have bought and presented things which are fake and been told in the nicest possible ways that they got it wrong.

    Jason, thank you for taking the time to better explain your terse first comment. I am now the wiser. Sometimes it ain't what one says but how one says it which causes offence. I'd hoped my use of a smiley or two would have conveyed that I wasn't in the bother that your buddy seems to be in Laughing

    But this isn't the first time that two nations seperated by the 'same' language have misunderstood each other ! Laughing

    Again, have a great weekend Smile

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    Re: Modified Ranger BDU.

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sat May 19, 2012 3:09 pm

    I just wanted to point out the difference because this is a common mistake.


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