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    Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 22, 2012 1:32 am

    From pictures I have tentatively determined there are 3 versions of the Digital Desert, with some variations of velcro backing. Here they are:

    1st Model (2008?) - pretty much the same cut as the Woodland (Soviet influenced), but in ripstop. Apparently no factory velcro backings for arm pockets.

    2nd Model (2009) - smooth cotton/poly fabric, 2 vertical chest zippered pockets, exposed button lower pockets, two vertical zip arm pockets. Velcro backing on arms limited, if any. Sometimes a block of velcro seen above right arm pocket.

    3rd Model (2010-today) - same as above but with hidden buttons on lower pockets. Velcro backing factory made on both arm pockets, though at first it appears to have been only on the right arm pocket.

    I suspect there might be 3 versions of the Digital Temperate uniform as well. However, for sure I know there is:

    1st Model (2007) - pretty much same as 1st Model Digital Desert, but made from cotton cloth. No arm velcro backings on arms.

    2nd Model ?? - I have not seen pictures of this, but I guess it exists and is identical to 2nd Model Digital Desert, but with cotton cloth.

    3rd Model (2010- today) - same as 3rd Model Digital Desert, but in cotton cloth.

    For those of you with examples and pictures... what do you say?

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Tue May 22, 2012 2:51 am

    the 2 types of estonian desert uniforms i have. dont know which model was made first?


    is ripstop material
    this one is the cotton material
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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 22, 2012 9:32 am

    By my naming convention, you have 1st Model and 2nd Model as shown. I've got a 3rd Model, which is this one:



    I haven't mentioned anything about the trousers because I don't know what the 2nd Model looks like. Do the leg pockets have exposed buttons like your jacket, or covered like my jacket?

    Also, what are the dates in your pieces? My Temperate 1st Model is 2007.

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 22, 2012 9:36 am

    Oh, and then there is the pattern differences as well. I think 1st and 2nd Models use a smaller version of the pattern than the 3rd Model. At least with the Desert.

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    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Tue May 22, 2012 6:00 pm

    ok ill take some comparison shot of both tops and pants but by memory the risptop on was made 2010 which to me was wierd because the cotton one is much better, and yes steve the patterns are diffrent
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed May 23, 2012 4:49 pm

    That is strange! The cut is the same as the now-abandoned style, not the ones produced in 2009 and since 2010. If they were to switch to ripstop the logical thing is to use the same cut as they are using for the smooth cotton type.

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Thu May 24, 2012 8:24 am

    well i am defintatly confused now as i showed the 2 up agiasnt each other




    ripstop made in 2011 by (ou renee)for the shirt and the pants are made by (SRS kompanii OU)
    the cotton one is made by (ou imprek) 2006
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu May 24, 2012 10:04 am

    That is interesting!! I received a set of trousers in ripstop, which I traded. I thought "oh, they have changed the cloth. That makes sense". Then I found a picture showing a single soldier, in 2010, wearing the ripstop with the older 4 pocket design. It was well used and he was the only one out of a few dozen with it. I figured it was some salty NCO who went for a second rotation wearing his old uniform. Something like that. But now... it's pretty obvious this is the latest uniform, and for whatever reason they have reverted the cut abandoned around 2008. I don't think I've ever seen a country do that!

    Possible reasons for this:

    1. Cost - the zippered/velcro uniforms cost too much
    2. Private purchase - maybe this is a private purchase uniform and the manufacturer went with a less expensive design
    3. Nostalgia - someone in purchasing missed the old style Wink

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:12 pm

    New research shows the following progression of uniforms:

    1st Model Amoeba (old uniform cut) = 2004

    1st Model Digital (Ripstop, 1st Pattern camo, old uniform cut) = 2005 and maybe 2006
    2nd Model Digital (Smooth, exposed buttons, 2nd Pattern camo) = 2006 and maybe 2007
    3rd Model Digital (Smooth, hidden buttons, 2nd Pattern camo) = 2007 through at least 2010
    4th Model Digital (Ripstop, 2nd Pattern camo) = 2011

    These are all confirmed by examples in hand and backed up by pictures from Estonia's MoD website.

    Comparison beween 1st and 2nd Digital patterns. Notice the 1st Pattern is not only smaller, but brown dominant. 2nd Pattern switched the colors of the two screens:




    The two confusing things I've seen are 1st Model Amoeba and Digital uniforms that have 2010 manufacture dates. Both examples, shown here, are unissued and have velcro baking sewn on the right arm. Neither of these uniforms had this when they were originally issued. I have seen no evidence of either of these being issued. Yet they are otherwise identical to the unquestionable real issue stuff. Big mystery!

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:00 pm

    just to make it more confusing this 2006 made shirt has a purple colour instead of brown!


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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:37 pm

    Nice 2nd Model set!! I'm still in need of one in good condition. I've got one that's been field modified in significant ways, which is cool but not what I want for my collection Very Happy

    The colors seem to be the result of the cloth. Cheap, high poly count junk. Which explains why it was quickly abandoned for both temperate and desert uniforms. The temperate uniform also looks a little different.

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:52 am

    I received this oddball temperate set.  It mostly has the features of the 3rd Model but has a few features unique to 2nd Model.  I don't know if this is private purchase (does such a thing exist?) or if it was an experimental version.  Note also that the overall tone is distinctly brown compared to the standard colors.  The set is used but there's no signs the colors are from fading:





    Side by side color comparison of the different Temperate cloth in my collection, excluding the 2005 ripstop type (I have trousers, so I can confirm it exists).  The above uniform sample is second from the left.



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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:57 am

    Example of 4th Model (Ripstop) Desert:



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    Post by FobanX on Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:34 pm

    I have two Estonian under body armour shirts. I think maybe they are commecial model. Because there is not any tag.


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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:00 pm

    Nice pictures!

    Yes, I think these are commercially produced. I have seen this with other militaries as well.

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by Geardardo on Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:11 am

    Hei Steve,it,s 4th model it's my Smile (SP105557)
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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:07 pm

    Oh you have got to be kidding Very Happy

    Is the Scout's badge the correct one for the time period? I have several variations.

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    Post by Geardardo on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:18 pm

    Yes all badge is correct,this uniform and all badge take a 2 trip to my Smile
    Sorry my bad english!

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by Geardardo on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:52 pm

    FobanX wrote:I have two Estonian under body armour shirts. I think maybe they are commecial model. Because there is not any tag.
    This type body armor use Estcoy-13 (2011-2012)
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:44 pm

    Geardardo wrote:Yes all badge is correct,this uniform and all badge take a 2 trip to my Smile
    Sorry my bad english!

    Thank you for not spilling coffee on your uniform Very Happy

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    Post by FobanX on Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:11 am

    Geardardo, Thank you!

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by Geardardo on Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:12 am

    Steve,i don't drink a coffee Very Happy

    FobanX,if you need Ref photo send you email Wink

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

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    Re: Estonian Digital Variants

    Post by ripcord on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:40 pm

    This photo shows 3 different types of Estonian desert uniforms; man at forefront is wearing a 1st type, man on the right has a 2nd type and man on the left is wearing what I believe to be a 3rd type..



                                                                                 






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