The first DPM garment.

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:52 pm

    Regardless ................

    Any ideas who this was issued to ?

    any period pictures of one being worn ?

    Is is winter jacket ?

    Was the pattern general issue originally ........or invented as a Winter cammo?

    I wonder

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:49 pm

    koalorka wrote:My apologies, I was thinking of the patt 1963, which is the WW2 oversuit in DPM.

    Not just in DPM ...... As mentioned, I have one in olive green. The rarest of the 'SAS' smocks. There are photos in this section of it.

    The non-zip versionS were all WW2 manufacture. The olive in the denim material, the Labrados suit in a different shade of olive and longer and without the four pockets all the others have and the sand and brush pattern smock. All WW2.

    Post WW2 there was a re-run of the camo one with a full length zipper - the '63 pattern - it was in a slightly different set of shades with a more tan-ish base than the purplish WW2 ones. The material was slightly thinner too. My green one is in a thicker gaberdine. The DPM 63 patt was in the heavy cotton modal (sateen to you Yanks! ).

    There were some SBS ventile cotton smocks too but let's not go there !

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:22 pm

    I have a question ............

    just what are you saying Dave ?

    I do not understand your thoughts above

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:23 am

    Owen, the 63 pattern isn't just "the WW2 pattern in DPM".

    63 pattern refers to a whole bunch of post WW2 made smocks that we're the sme cut as WA2 but had full length zippers put in whilst being made.

    Clear now ?

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Albano on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:19 am

    Very nice this item and if it is that rare it's well worthy the 145 quids.
    The pattern looks more on to ERDL then DPM or is just me?

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:31 am

    I agree Rui. More than a hint of ERDL but before ERDL I think if it's 1962-63 production. Also it looks dirty as was the one I saw and cleaned up might have more than a hint of the British bright coloured tropicals.

    I wish I'd bought the one I saw for £25 a few years back as it was in vgc and not got the knackered zipper this one has. Neutral

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:58 pm

    I see what you are sayin now ....................


    still that DPM looks like a RN issue WW2 jacket ........

    erdl was invented in 1948 .


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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:00 pm

    I'd like to see that camo WW2 Royal Navy jacket Owen. That's a new one on me.

    ERDL 1948, eh ? Well I never !

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:09 pm

    You have seen it posted in one of the Denison threads .....its the one form Regimentals
    Printed in the "officers" windproof fabric ..rig a bell?


    yup 48 ........developed and shelved as being too wimpy ........and given to ARVN in 62 .......re-designed in 65 ..........
    I am thinking a Brit may have seen its format on a tour of NATICk some time in the 50s and designed DP on its back.

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:54 pm

    kammo-man wrote:You have seen it posted in one of the Denison threads .....its the one form Regimentals
    Printed in the "officers" windproof fabric ..rig a bell?

    Bugger Owen, you got me there. Hell, I posted it in the first place ! I tend to think of that as a parka and had completely forgotten about it.

    Now that I've been well and truly embarrassed, I have to say I am not sure I see the camo pattern comparison as that one is more brush strokes to my untrained and not very discerning eye.

    Pre senile dementia is a cruel disease but has me in its grip ! Embarassed

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:26 pm

    D,
    Its its curious garment cut.... as the link mate !!!
    Like I said before this DP garment is something I would like to own ......its beyond special and uber cool.
    When buying a rare item one must look past the vendor and buy the item itself because in years to come you have the item and the vendor is forgotten.

    The pattern in the RN jacket is VERY washed out !!!!!
    No doubt all that larking around by the sea side .

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by Bury_Dave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:35 pm

    You're absolutely right Owen.

    It's a shame I've never come across any photos of it being trialled. Perhaps they're tucked away in some late 1950s or early 60s photos of the British Army in action. If muddy and in B&W they might look like Denisons being used .......

    The game is afoot !

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    Re: The first DPM garment.

    Post by kammo-man on Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:28 pm

    It is a quest indeed !

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