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    Post by Militaryman on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:52 am

    Hi All,

    If anyone could assist with an identification or comment on this cap of unknown origin i would appreciate it. Thanks

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    Post by loski on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:58 am

    Could be 32 bat camo
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    Post by Militaryman on Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:09 pm

    mmmm it just doesn't look 100% 32 Bat so i have my doubts but i'm unsure....:-) Thanks for the post.
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    Post by mcoleman762 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:31 pm

    That is not 32 Bn. I'm quite sure the camo pattern is French lizard. The cap itself appears field made, or at least made at unit level. The pattern has been used extensively throughout Africa since the 60's. Check out this thread for many examples:

    http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t4159-lizard-pattern-used-by-few-francophone-african-country?highlight=francophone

    If this was actually acquired in SWA as the thread placement in this sub-forum suggests, then I would offer a guess at this being a UNITA piece. They were quite fond of the French lizard pattern, moreso than SWAPO.

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:19 pm

    The cloth and print are consistent with Mike's comments. The hat looks to be medium quality in terms of construction. Perhaps a custom piece for someone with a little spending money?

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    Post by Militaryman on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:10 am

    mcoleman762 wrote:That is not 32 Bn. I'm quite sure the camo pattern is French lizard. The cap itself appears field made, or at least made at unit level. The pattern has been used extensively throughout Africa since the 60's. Check out this thread for many examples:

    http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t4159-lizard-pattern-used-by-few-francophone-african-country?highlight=francophone

    If this was actually acquired in SWA as the thread placement in this sub-forum suggests, then I would offer a guess at this being a UNITA piece. They were quite fond of the French lizard pattern, moreso than SWAPO.

    Cheers,

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    Thanks for your input Mike much appreciated! I'm in total agreement - definitely not 32 Battalion! Print wise, yes French Lizard is the closest. I have 2 of these found at different times and locations - this one being of the better quality, so i wouldn't say it was a totally custom piece but i do agree with the made at unit level comment. I did post it under SWA but actually should have posted it under African - UNITA is definitely a possibility! Thanks again!
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    Post by Militaryman on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:11 am

    Does anyone know if French Recce Copy uniforms ever included a cap of this style?
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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:16 pm

    Hello
    With the small part of the fabric that I can see on the cap, I cannot say if it is a French F2 or derivative pattern
    It is the first time I see this construct for a cap, not French style
    For the material fabric, I have only this shirt who have the same material fabric, not French style
    http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t3699-guinea-bissau

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    Post by mcoleman762 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:51 am

    Ahh, if there is no provenance that this came from SWA, then I would definately lean toward this cap being from some other African nation. UNITA officers that did wear the French lizard pattern were equiped with genuine French uniforms, along with a few other quality foreign made copies of it.

    Gilles is right, the fabric used to make your cap is odd, especially with the off-white reverse side of the fabric. Even the Chinese made export lizard pattern uniforms have green on the reverse side. There are so many different variations of the lizard pattern in use in Africa however, that this cap could be from anywhere. I suspect, due to the white reverse side, that this cap was made from some cheaper commercial fabric that could have been supplied to a rebel group, as they usually have limited funding. Hard to say though.

    The Recce copy camo caps were pretty much only made in a Cuban style patrol cap, or in the SA flap cap style. This cap here is cut totally wrong to be a Recce piece. Plus, Recce copy fabric is green on the reverse side too.

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    Post by Militaryman on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:16 am

    Hi Mike and Gilles,

    Thanks for your replies.Correct this cap could come from anywhere in Africa. The material is pretty thickish with the furry white on the reverse side, so perhaps some commercial print copy but yip difficult to tell. I will continue to try reference it and hopefully a picture will pop up from somewhere but thanks again for both you input!

    Chat again soon.

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