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    unknown british boots

    Post by duck_sick on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:01 am

    hello all,

    a short intro before i post my id request:
    i am technically not a collector of militaria, but i appreciate the endurance of military clothing, and therefore buy surplus gear and vintage items quite often.

    in the following case, i have purchased a pair of boots on ebay that have been listed as "hiking boots."
    after receiving them, i noticed two rows of letters and digits stamped onto the inside of the shaft:

    top row -- A181 BMI (or BM1, cannot discern it, really)
    bottom row -- A33 4 9 SK112

    the inner sole is stamped "9" for the size.

    the seller sent me a photograph of her wearing the boots as a three-year-old in 1967, i assume they might be up to a decade older (belonged to her father).

    below are the pictures of the boots -- being an absolute layman in this field, i did search around online a bit, and i don't think that civilian footwear had iron-studded leather soles -- but what do i know. judging from the heel, they could be used on skis as well, possibly an alpine/mountain unit boot?

    thanks very much in advance for any info you can share, cheers!




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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by sh4pak on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:24 pm

    They're hobnail boots, which did have civilian application prior to lug soles (quite some time ago, really).

    I couldn't pin down a specific year for you (though... perhaps the "33" in the stamp means something), but all of the improvements demonstrated (particularly the thick sole) would lead me to conclude post-WWI.

    Google "hobnail boots" and "ammunition boots" to get similar images-- maybe even a match. I tried for a bit, but didn't come up with anything that had a strap up top like yours.

    Good luck!

    --Dan

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by duck_sick on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:59 pm

    excellent, thanks for the head start, dan!

    cheers,
    tomis

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by duck_sick on Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:38 pm

    an update for those interested -- i managed to identify a stamp inside the shaft as CC41 (making of civilian clothing (restriction order) 1941) -- which means that it's utility clothing, according to my online research.

    so, (initially) not military gear, but ww2 period boots ... a "civilian uniform," of sorts -- nice one!  What a Face 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC41
    http://www.1940.co.uk/acatalog/an-introduction-to-utility-clothing.html


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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by sh4pak on Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:57 pm

    Nice one, indeed.
    Smile

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by duck_sick on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:49 pm

    i have a new id case:

    i recently bought a pair of boots from fleabay what were listed as "german mountain trooper boots" -- it turned out that there was a company name stamped onto the insole: "j. spencer & co. ltd." with the year "1943". size 7, i assume the company is british, perhaps?

    would anyone here know anything about said company/factory?

    google search turned up one semi-relevant hit about a patent for steel shafting ... thanks much in advance (pictures below):








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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by James K on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:24 pm

    I believe they are both variations of cold weather boots, the brown ones being of Korean War vintage. That said I may be wrong but similar boots were certainly issued for Korea

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    Boots, Ski, March

    Post by britcoll36 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:05 pm

    They are Boots, Ski, March and are illustrated on Page 63 of Martin Brayley and Richard Ingram's book "The World War II Tommy, British Army Uniforms European Theatre 1939-45 in Colour Photographs" copyright 1998 from Crowood Press. I would love to have a pair in my own collection. Good find!! thje Korean issue Cold Wet Weather (CWW) Boots are in Black.
    Dwayne

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by James K on Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:39 pm

    prior to the introduction of the CWW Black Boot you mention there was a brown CW boot issued in Korea.

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by Gulf91 on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:52 pm

    James K wrote:prior to the introduction of the CWW Black Boot you mention there was a brown CW boot issued in Korea.  

    Lucky to have(somewhere)both brown and black versions.

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    Re: unknown british boots

    Post by duck_sick on Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:40 pm

    dwayne, keen eyes! thanks much for your help. Cool

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