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    Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by nkomo on Mon May 18, 2009 7:17 pm

    This uniform is perhaps one of the rarest uniforms in my collection. This is a Bulgarian desert uniform that was worn by Bulgarian advisors in Mozambique, Yemen, and other places the Bulgarians had soldiers committed.

    Both sets I own were used in Mozambiuqe.




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    Post by nkomo on Mon May 18, 2009 7:18 pm

    Close up of a different shoulder patch.


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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by panzerwerk on Mon May 18, 2009 7:39 pm

    Great set Arch !!
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    Post by nkomo on Mon May 18, 2009 8:00 pm

    panzerwerk wrote:Great set Arch !!
    Thanks!!!I have two sets of these and even have the camouflage cap for one set as well.

    I had another collector show these photos to a former Bulgarian soldier who had did some advisory work in Mozambique during the late 1980's. He said that these sets were worn by Bulgarian advisors in desert conditions. He said that the Mozambique advisory contingent were never engaged in combat, but did more farming and logistical work than anything else.
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 19, 2009 12:08 am

    One of the few European Cold War uniforms I have yet to get a hold of, so obviously I'm jealous Smile I had an opportunity to get one a couple of years ago but it was a multiple choice type of deal and I chose something else instead. Apparently life is all about choices!

    Thanks for posting the pics! Really nice one.

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    Post by nkomo on Tue May 19, 2009 12:32 am

    CollectinSteve wrote:One of the few European Cold War uniforms I have yet to get a hold of, so obviously I'm jealous Smile I had an opportunity to get one a couple of years ago but it was a multiple choice type of deal and I chose something else instead. Apparently life is all about choices!

    Thanks for posting the pics! Really nice one.

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    Thanks for the compliment!!! These two sets and the other Bulgarian uniform all were bought from the same person. Any idea what time period these sets would be from?
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue May 19, 2009 1:48 am

    I don't know about dates used, but I'd say no earlier than late 1980s, no later since the badge is Communist era and. Borsarello says the uniform was used briefly after the fall of the Communist regime, but obviously that's wrong.

    I've tried to match the pattern from your pics against several Yugoslav Lizard pattern items. No match. I also checked against Cuban, no match there either. It's logical that the pattern came from Yugoslavia (since the Branch pattern probably did as well), so I'm guessing I just don't have the correct item to match against. They did change the pattern a bit over the years.

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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by mcoleman762 on Tue May 19, 2009 3:22 pm

    Hey Gang,

    Can I play too? Smile Here's mine. Picked this set up at the 1996 MAX Show. This was still very early in my collecting career, and I had no idea what it was. I just knew it looked cool, and was affordable (a major consideration back in those days!).

    Pretty much just looks like Arch's.

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    Post by panzerwerk on Tue May 19, 2009 3:54 pm

    I am soooo jealous , Good finds guys !!
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by bond007a1 on Tue May 19, 2009 4:21 pm

    ALL OF YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK..... Crying or Very sad

    I have NEVER seen this pattern anywhere EXCEPT at Arch's house.... Very Happy

    I told Arch if he ever sells this one or the other, he will be able to retire comfortably.... lol!

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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by nkomo on Tue May 19, 2009 6:19 pm

    mcoleman762 wrote:Hey Gang,

    Can I play too? Smile Here's mine. Picked this set up at the 1996 MAX Show. This was still very early in my collecting career, and I had no idea what it was. I just knew it looked cool, and was affordable (a major consideration back in those days!).

    Pretty much just looks like Arch's.

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    Mike,
    That is EXACTLY the same set that I have. I bought mine around the same time as well. Very nice score!
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by Crna Strela on Wed May 19, 2010 7:53 pm

    I have a jacket and I'm really proud of that! :-)
    I will put my pictures one day.
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu May 20, 2010 12:27 am

    I have the arm badge only. I keep watering it, but for some reason it refuses to grow into a full uniform Sad

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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by kiwipom on Thu May 20, 2010 4:50 am

    isnt this similar to the Namibian camo pattern?
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by Crna Strela on Thu May 20, 2010 12:19 pm

    Here there's my jacket.
    Please, don't care about the trousers...I bought them in a second moment, but I'm quite sure they come from another set, probably from Africa...






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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by panzerwerk on Thu May 20, 2010 12:29 pm

    I really hate you guys Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Great sets ! affraid
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by drmatz on Thu May 20, 2010 4:44 pm

    Really nice stuff congrats!
    There's a pic of the set on Dr Borsarello's book, this is also the first time i actually see the uniform.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by nkomo on Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:49 am

    How did I miss all the more recent posts??? Thanks for everyone jumping in and showing their examples!!!! Thanks for all the comments too!!!!


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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by misanthropic_gods on Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:56 am

    I didnt miss the new posts, I missed the WHOLE thread!

    that sure is an interesting pattern, I never even knew they were in Africa!
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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by Camo_fiend on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:25 pm

    Dang.... I want one of these uniforms now. lol!
    Very nice sets, everyone. I too had no idea the Bulgarians had soldiers committed in Africa.


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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by nkomo on Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:09 am

    Honestly....there is very little information on what the Bulgarians did in Africa. I found this information on the internet:

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    A few days after the murder of the first Prime Minister of Congo, Patrice Lumumba, the Bulgarian leadership decided to send weaponry and military equipment to his political formation [xxxii] . After confidential talks with one of Lumumba's ministers, Pier Moulele, in Cairo in April 1961, another shipment of 200 tons weaponry was transferred through Egypt, but disappeared somewhere on Sudanese territory. Four years later a new significant Bulgarian arms delivery [xxxiii] to one of the few parallel Congolese “governments”, those located in Stanleyville, was successfully transported through the territory of Egypt, Sudan, and Tanzania. The military aid for this Congolese formation amounted to 500,000 USD, while in the same time about 100 Congolese men received military training in Bulgaria.

    At the beginning of the 1960s, Bulgaria established military contacts with some more new states in Africa – Kenya, Zambia, Ghana, Tanzania, Mali, Nigeria, and Guinea. Several hundreds of young African military received their training and education in Bulgarian military schools. A few national-liberation movements in South Africa – MPLA of Aghostino Neto in Angola, FRELIMO of Eduardo Mondlane and Samora Machel in Mozambique, PAIGC of Amilcar Kabral in Guinea-Bissau and Cape Verde, ZANU of Robert Mugabe and ZAPU of Joshua Nkomo in South Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), ANK of Nelson Mandela and Oliver Tambo in South Africa, and SWAPO of Sam Nuyoma in Namibia – received modest financial and military aid and military training in Bulgaria since the mid-1960s.

    Since the establishment of pro-Marxist regimes in Angola and Mozambique, seven new protocols for military support to these two countries were agreed upon for the period 1976–1983 only. For instance, in 1982 free Bulgarian arms delivery to Mozambique exceeded 750,000 BG leva; it included 1,000 automatic guns “Shpagin”, 50 machine guns “RPD-44”, 1,000 automatic pistols “TT”, 500 carbines, 2,000 shells, etc. [xxxiv] Meanwhile, in 1981 about 50 Mozambique State Security servicemen were trained at the Bulgarian Ministry of the Interior Special High School [xxxv] .

    In the 1970s, the economic and military cooperation between Bulgaria and the African Horn countries was also extended. While Bulgaria maintained more effective collaboration with Somalia until 1976, the Bulgarian government redirected its relations to Ethiopia after the signing of the Soviet-Ethiopian secret defensive agreement in December 1976. [xxxvi] In July 1980, Todor Zhivkov and his Ethiopian colleague Mengistu Haile Mariam signed a treaty for friendship and cooperation between Bulgaria and Ethiopia in Sofia, the only signed treaty with a non-European country including a special article (§ 5) for “collaboration in the military realm” [xxxvii].

    source: http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_28787.shtml


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    Post by nkomo on Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:15 am

    Does anyone know what the Bulgarian advisors did in Africa? Any help is appreciated!


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    Post by KastroBg on Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:58 am

    Actually the most of them were there to trade, having government connections they were able to do some things and hide the income in foreign banks.
    After 1989 when the comunist government fell, than the interest things start to happen with our military personel in Africa, but that is another story, a very long one too Smile Dont want to get you bored Smile
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    Post by filupe on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:25 pm

    We have time ... bore us!

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    Re: Bulgarian Advisors Uniform

    Post by KastroBg on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:41 pm

    A lot of the highly ranked military personel in here was trained by our internal security department, its was like FBI but more about spying on your coworkers and neighbours. Nvm some of them were well trained even by KGB agents. So ... to be outside the country was really big deal, even for military personel, you got to have connections in the gouvernment.
    So some smart people with not so importnant positions in coutry send a lot of their friends abroad, understand Africa and Asia. Africa was the real deal. The comunist regime in Bulgaria cannot be compared to the hardest regimes, but you still couldnt buy jeans or decent TV set. Actually you could if you have some friends who worked as international truckers ... nvm ... so you are a military person, you were respected by everyone (while the regime) but in one moment you become nobody, the democracy is now the new thing and the state does not have enemies in the west now.
    Now what ? A friend calls you and says he can send you somewhere. He will give you some stuff ( understand guns, ammo ) and you should go and trade it.
    In next moment you are in africa trading guns for blood diamonds and gold ore ... Thats what they did there, most of them ...
    And they were send by powerful people, they were send there with papers and everything needed to show that they are on a mission.
    I dont have much time now, but i will tell you a whole story of a family friend. Its better than a movie ...

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