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    Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Rhodesian Camo on Sun May 18, 2014 3:10 pm

    I got these yesterday at a gun show.  


    It's an interesting mix of British Pattern 37 belt hooks and shape with an American "lift the dot" top flap snap.  The opening on the bottom leads to the inside of the pouch's single compartment.  It was probably to access the stuff at the bottom without removing all the items above it first.  






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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:00 pm

    Really nice pouches, I still haven't seen how the top rings actually attach to the webbing.
    Apparently there were p37 type belt adapters worn behind these, so the suspenders weren't actually only attached to the top of the pouches,
    but I have no idea how the rings and extra strap are supposed to be added into the system
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:40 pm

    Yes, it is necessary to wear these pouches with WE 37 type brace attachments, otherwise it is impossible to properly connect the D-rings on the pouches to the braces.

    The pouches were designed to carry a broad range of items, and the little hatches on the lower compartment allowed access to the contents of the bottom end of the pouch when separate inserts were snapped into the top half of of pouch. There were inserts for a binocular case, pistol case, etc. The male snaps around the lip of the pouch engage female snaps on the different inserts.

    Danish postwar webbing is a rich, but generally under-appreciated collecting area.

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:58 pm

    Yeah they made a huge array of webbing parts over time, some real interesting and weird features.
    I have a full M45-59 webbing set and really enjoyed finding out how it all had to fit together, and building it up.
    I'm thinking of making another one with later versions of all parts, OD webbing parts and the plasticized pouches etc.
    And maybe someday an M45-50 webbing, with all the early khaki stuff with brass hardware, awesome stuff!
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:58 am

    this side you know? There is a good section about danish postwar equipment:

    http://m55q.weebly.com/


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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:08 am

    Yes I have mailed with the maker of it too.
    He recently updated the website to a new format, and there are still lots of things missing,
    that were posted there before.
    But he has very good info about everything
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:27 pm

    It is a very good site, and I too have had some productive correspondence with the author. I hope that he continues to expand the site, or perhaps write a book.
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:33 am

    Here is a binocular bag. You can carry it alone or as described above in the Universal Pouch.





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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:40 pm

    And here is a later version of the binocular insert pouch, made from PVC/nylon. The question is, why manufacture this item so long after the original universal pouch was phased out of service?



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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:44 pm

    Well after the M59 magpouches came into service, and were smaller than the M45-50 they probably just needed an extra pouch which the binocs actually fit in to, so it makes sense
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:33 am

    Here are some interesting photos. Modern Reproductions of press photos, I think. Good to See the M45-50 Webbing.




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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:59 am

    Here's a progresspic of a webbingset I'm building. The left suspender is actually a very early one, probably a British one that has been
    modified with eyelets, these can be spotted in older pics with this type of webbing.
    The backbuckle is an Alu one and was fitted to the early strap, has anyone actually ever seen these made of brass?

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:29 pm

    I have never seen the butterfly buckle in brass - only alu.

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:10 pm

    Hm, same here, I wonder if they existed, or if they just didn't use any at all before the alu ones came.

    Btw, I also have a question about the M44/M45 battledress uniform used with these webbings.
    I've seen 2 models, 1 where the waist strap fastens with a buckle, and another where it fastens with a single button (same big round one as the center buttons).
    As far as I know the buckle ones were the most standard type, but were the button ones interchangeable with them, or specific to some branch of service?
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:47 pm

    I can't answer the question about battledress, but I believe that before the alu butterfly connectors were used for the webbing braces that a cord was tied in between the eyelets across the back form one brace to the other. These eyelets disappeared on later model braces, which would make sense if the alu connectors had been newly introduced.
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:39 am

    michelwijnand wrote:... and another where it fastens with a single button (same big round one as the center buttons).
    As far as I know the buckle ones were the most standard type, but were the button ones interchangeable with them, or specific to some branch of service?

    Maybe it's a repair? Do you have pictures of this Jacket?
    I've only see Jackets with buckles.


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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:37 am

    Yes, but I have just one photo, here it is:

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:07 am

    It didnˋt Look like repaired. Maybe it is the later Model. The Belgian Army had in the beginning Battle Dress Jackets with Buckles and later Models have the Button. Maybe the Danish Army did the same.

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:49 pm

    I just received a hint from a Danish collector, that might explain some differences of this jacket, but still not the buttoned strap entirely.
    He says the Danish army also issued Australian battledresses, on which the buttons were to be replaced with Danish ones by the soldiers themselves.

    The jacket I posted has some other features that are different from the standard Danish design, like the invisible button cuffs, rounded pocket corners, and what looks like a shoulder lining.
    The buttons also seem like flat dish buttons instead of the Danish ones with the 3 lions on them.

    While the jacket also doesn't entirely match Australian BD features, it might be some other foreign one, maybe not even Danish used.


    Anyway, I managed to find one with actual correct buttons and features, it'll take a while to get here but it's slowly all coming together now.
    I don't know for the life of me where to get an M49 gasmaskbag though.
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:20 pm

    The M49 was normally carried in a British (or Canadian) lightweight respirator carrier - sometimes modified, sometimes not. Is there some other Danish-made carrier that I don't know about?

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:26 pm

    No I actually mean the modified ones that were carried vertically. I've only seen those on collectors' pages, and the unmodified ones just as CF.
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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by Wolverine on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:09 pm

    The M49 mask that I have came from a contact in Denmark with a Canadian LW carrier, no modifications, and no CF markings. I have yet find a modified carrier, but I don't think they are ultra scarce in Denmark, just not widely advertised or collected.

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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:13 pm

    I'm hoping they are, I asked 2 shops I could find and they didn't have any, just standard CF used British ones.

    I just found another later type gasmaskbag though, it'll go on loadout I made about a year ago with an M45-59 webbing system.
    For some reason nowhere on the internet as selling these bags, and now I encountered several hundreds at once.

    And I found some other stuff too:




    I also went and bought a regular type BD jacket, and damn this one's big! Normally all different types of BD jackets I see for sale
    are childsized.
    The white circle around the neck is a piece of dust flying past, aside from 2 missing cuff-buttons this jacket is untouched.



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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by michelwijnand on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:24 pm

    An order from Denmark arrived today with some assorted gear for my 50's and 80's loadouts.
    Apparently there were 2 different canteen pouches before the M59 type.
    I already had one in the angular cut similar to British p44 pouches, and now also this one with rounded flaps.

    The angular flaps one should be earlier, mine's made by Mills and dated 1949 and has brass hardware, while
    the unmarked rounded one has aluminium hardware.
    I've seen someone mention an M50 canteen (pouch) some time ago, but there was no photo, might this be it?
    That should make the angular one the M45.

    This makes for 5 different canteen pouches I found already, M45, M50, M59, M84(?) in nylon and one in vinyl.

    Also, does anyone know how to attach the poncho pouch if no backpack is being worn?
    The gasmaskbag takes up a lof of space, so it can't be on the belt, so that leaves somehow attaching it to the
    suspenders maybe?

    The magpouches are German made, but apparently came from Danish stocks.




    Also got pants, don't mind the p37 bayo frog and US M45 pack, these just also arrived today.
    I also found some strange yellow bits of fabric in a pocket, sort of oval shaped with 2 slits in them, maybe a backing for
    some type of badge?





    Also, I thought up an extra use for the leftover straps at the back of the canteen pouch. Extra canteen attachment for
    the extra thirsty soldiers!




    Also I ordered old light khaki L-straps with brass hooks, got 2 dark khaki alu hooked ones in different lengths...


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    Re: Danish Pattern 37 - like Pouches

    Post by masive on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:05 am

    Quot: "Also, does anyone know how to attach the poncho pouch if no backpack is being worn?"

    Can you please show the backside of it?

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