dates of use of Belgian insignia

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    dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by indypatchcollector on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:36 pm

    I need some input from those knowledgeable in Belgian insignia.  I have noticed that the Belgian shoulder sleeve insignia in my collection tend to be of four (4) types of manufacture. There are: 1) all vinyl, 2) vinyl on felt, 3) ‘BEVO’ weave, and 4) embroidered on felt or wool.  Does the way the insignia is manufactured connect with the period it was used?  Further, what good referenced exist for Belgian shoulder sleeve insignia?

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by Stepi on Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:28 am

    Anybody got any idea what these epaulettes may be? Came with my 5 Commando Jigsaw smock: http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t10441-congo-5-commando-mercenary-beret-and-jigsaw-smock#76136

    Sand coloured felt with embroidered onderluitenant star, the dagger is a 5 Commando thing. I'd really like to know what the colour/material/size may tell about thire origin:


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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:56 pm

    Those look like they were intended for a dress uniform. The field ones I'm aware of, when worn at all, were soft felt in various colors to denote branch/unit with metal insignia.

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by Stepi on Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:58 pm

    I know those field ones you speak off, with the horizontal lines on both ends, almost square in shape, but indeed these are something different alltogether.

    But alas, on dress jackets I've only seen any pin on badges attached straight to the epaulette with no separate shoulder boards like these worn. This goes for any uniforms I´ve seen, dated 1950´s to present day issue. Then again the subdued colour is a bit strange perhaps for dress wear?

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by Wolverine on Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:04 pm

    Those epaulettes (setting aside the dagger device) closely resemble the Dutch army sliders for the raincoat or overcoat as far as texture, shape, colour, and dimensions are concerned. As Stepi mentioned, I have only ever seen metal devices attached directly to the shoulder straps of Belgian service dress uniforms, rather than attached to sliders. I believe that these sliders, minus the dagger, are Dutch second-lieutenant raincoat sliders.

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by Stepi on Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:00 am

    Thank you Wolverine, after googling up some photos these indeed look very much alike the Dutch ones! Any more info on what year model etc. these are?

    Now if I could only find out what these are doing on this smock... Hopefully the papers I'm waiting for could shed some light on this matter. They are a very handy subdued colour that's for sure!

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:18 am

    Great observation Andrew! I knew I recognized that style of stitched star before, but couldn't quite place it even though I have a dozen or more Dutch rank slides in my collection.

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    Re: dates of use of Belgian insignia

    Post by Wolverine on Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:13 pm

    Most of my information in this regard comes from various Dutch websites - this one below has plenty of clear images of the different generations of Dutch rank badges and sliders, as well as explaining which uniforms various types of sliders were designed for (field uniform, daily dress, overcoats, etc):

    http://sabels.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83&Itemid=34

    It appears that the sliders on Stepi's Belgian smock date from 1987 or later.

    Although I collect Dutch webbing, it is hard to avoid getting some badges as well, since there are many different styles and variants.

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