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    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:33 pm

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:44 am

    Got some more KM gear again, most of it I already had (more on that later), but some pieces are new for me, and 1 is entirely new to me as I've never seen it before.

    This all came from the same person, who was in the marines around 1990, some parts also KL issue, and he said some were issue, and some were "acquired" through
    other means. I've redacted his name and number markings on request.

    First the new bits, a sleepingbag carrier harness, a "mutsdas" with one side opened to use it as a scarf, a messtin (already had some but this was KM issued),
    and a shovel with a very strange cover, I never knew this existed!


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    Then an "aflaatharnas", looks like it is for parachute tower training, not sure how to assemble it correctly, or if
    anything might be missing.

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    2 Britsh P58 sleeping bag liners (1 wool, 1 nylon), KM used at least British P58, Arctic and Dutch M58 sleeping bags.

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    A blanket, kitbag and a bag (I think for cleaning and maintenance gear) with small bits.

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    In the bag was also this form that lists the gear received in "use-loan" (not sure how to translate this well).

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    And then a punishment form, for the massive and violent crime of not wearing a white coat in the kitchen when the cook told him to.

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    Post by Wolverine on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:56 am

    Neat stuff - that shovel carrier is new to me also.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:57 am

    And here's a load of stuff from him that I already had, these will be for sale, though I'll have to check if I actually already have some of the underwear pieces and a towel in my collection or not.


    M87 summer suit with KM patch and rankslides, size 47, 1989.

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    Webbing pieces, backpack, poncho roll with poncho, bandage pouch with bandage, US made grenade pouch, KL canteen and packstraps,
    and H-suspenders that had ladder-buckles from the old type backpack added to lengthen the straps.

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    Old type kidney pouches, I saw the suspender loops at the back were angled, and I don't know if this is normal and if my other old pouches have this too or not.
    (this might be reserved already)

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    4 Towels, 4 t-shirts, 1 short underpants, 1 long underpants, 2 longsleeved undershirts, 2 sports shirts, 2 sports shorts.

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    KL-gear, outer mittens, 2 long underpants, 1 longsleeved undershirt, towel, 2 handkerchiefs, tent-roll with pegs and string etc.

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    Another nylon P58 sleeping bag liner.

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:59 am

    Thanks!

    Yeah it's definately a weird one, the owner said he got a lot of remarks from other interested parties about it.
    I'm gonna show it to some big-time KM collectors here who might know more.

    I'm hoping it's some weird prototype from when the old leather covers fell out of use.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:09 pm

    Just learned that the harness is actually meant for strapping the backpack in, attaching it to your actual parachute harness, and when in stable flight you can undo the hooks and then the pack will drop down to a few meters below you.

    The person explaining also said it was quite handy with jumping in the dark, as it gives you a short second warning when you feel the pack landing
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    Post by Wolverine on Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:19 am

    I have some kidney pouches with the angled loops also.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:11 am

    Ok, I can check my other early pouch tomorrow, I do know my late type has straight horizontal loops.

    Oh and I got some intel from someone that has been in the marines since the late 80's and still is, he said the poncho rolls only ever came in
    the envelope type, and that they themselves modified them, or had them modified to open sides to fit more stuff in there, like part of the
    sleeping gear.

    Also, the shown packstraps might actually be longer than the normal KL straps, but I'd have to check. Then that'd be a KM specific feature.
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    Post by Wolverine on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:15 pm

    Has anyone ever come across evidence of marines using Canadian Forces C2 universal rucksacks (ie, the CF version of the US Army LW rucksack)?
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    Post by michelwijnand on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:56 pm

    Never, just webbing large packs, arctic packs, and some Berghaus ones or something like that
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    Post by Wolverine on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:44 pm

    Here is a new mystery then:

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    Source:
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    The photo was taken in Scotland in 1971. That is a C2 for sure. The questions are, how did he get it, and who else was using one?
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    Post by michelwijnand on Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:46 pm

    Wow, that's weird. Maybe it's what was issued in place of what later became the arctic pack? I mean those were invented sometime in the late 70's or something
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    Post by Wolverine on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:10 pm

    The C2 was still a relatively recent item in 1971. Maybe a small number were tested by the marines?
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    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:26 pm

    Some new stuff again, I finally managed to find green pistolmag pouches! 4 Even! (1 for me, 1 for a friend, and 2 extra).

    I also discovered yet another type of canteen pouch, made of the old canvas material, but with snap buttons like the nylon ones!
    Also got some wristlets and ankle warmers for use with mountain boots (which I also got, but no photos yet).

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    I have extra ankle warmers if anyone needs.

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    And some extra of the nylon canteen pouches too.


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    And 2 extra pistolmag pouches, 1 of which is missing a latch part, but it's still rare AF.

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    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:38 pm

    Just checked some straps today, compared the ones I got in the large load of KM stuff a while back to some KL ones I already had.
    I already heard KM had a specific type that was longer so it would fit around the sleeping bag, turns out these are just that.

    Top 2 KM, lower 2 KL.

    The KM ones have buckles with both sides closed, as opposed to 1 open side on the KL ones.
    The slightly shorter KM one is also sewn a bit differently, maybe it's a generational difference, maybe it has been damaged close
    to the buckle and repaired by shortening it a bit, who knows.

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:09 pm

    Just bought this one, not part of the webbing system, but also used with it.

    Oldgen Berghaus Cyclops 2 Vulcan with the old style buckles.
    Sadly has 1 mismatched sidepouch with broken zipper and late type straps with fastex clips, probably replaced in service as this one came from Dutch stocks.

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    Refpics, mostly of the pack or sidepouches, but also some of the gaiters:

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    Post by Wolverine on Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:05 pm

    The guy marching in the B/W picture is wearing an Austrian magazine pouch it seems.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:22 pm

    Yes he is, probably acquired on some international exercise

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