This is a lightweight version (01) used in Kosovo. Notice use of buttons, and absence of frontal zipper.
Still looking for standard M91s, and related headwear, but this will hold me for a minute...
A very happy rip....
CollectinSteve wrote:There is the official type (with castle) and then there is type that reservists purchase (without castles, sometimes 100% same sometimes minor differences). And of course there are the civilian types which have a lot more differences from the issued stuff.
Stepi wrote:Now here is a little misunderstanding!
There actually is simply two different kinds: the official military stuff and then civilian production, there really is no "in between" and I will try to explain why. For voluntary reservist exercises the official line has always been that you either wear what is issued by the military for the particular exercise or then you can wear your own camo, as long as it is either M62, M91 or M05 (depending on what the issued stuff for the exercise in question is). In this use it makes no difference if the zippers are of a different brand or you don't have a sleeve pocket etc. Both the 1:1 copies and not-exactly-1:1 suits are perfectly OK.
The whole "1:1 copies" and "slightly-different" variations is simply due to the fact that some manufactures of civilian suits also made them for the military, thus they had the exact same fabric, zippers etc. at hand, unlike others who's designs wary slightly due to different hardware etc.
And yes, the same thing applies to M05, but simply due to the fact that the pattern is copyrighted/patented/restricted/whatever and if you try to sell anything M05 in Finland you get a slap from the government. This thing should be over by 2016 though, as the "patent" expires!
And indeed, going around the official channels is most probably one explanation for the absence of FDF tags. Another may be the bureaucratic fact that when these are fielded they are not worn in the capacity of the Finnish Defence Forces, but instead under the UN or whatever flag and therefore it would be "politically incorrect" to have labels saying you are "fighting for Finland" or something. This whole thing goes hand in hand with the fact that no peacekeeping suits are ever returned to Finnish stocks, but instead disposed off in-country, either simply destroyed or brought home by the wearer, effectively making it so that they "never were" FDF property, or something.
We have some silly politics here, and I wouldn't even twitch if I learned this theory was spot on correct!
That is the most clear explanation I have ever seen I think the confusion is that in the past people have said "that's not official, but it's used by reservists". This implies more legitimacy than the stuff that has a lot of differences from the official items.
In the US we have several manufacturers that produce items that are identical to official issue items except that they are assembled outside of the US (cheap labor). Without the labels it is impossible to tell if the item is official or commercial.