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    My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:47 am

    I know these pieces where posted before,
    but I'm still so amazed by the Danish stuff that I want
    to share my new beauties!






























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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:43 am

    Found some rank insignias!Looks always better with them.




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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by Camo_fiend on Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:28 pm

    Gorgeous Danish pieces. I love their desert pattern. Very functional as well.


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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:40 pm

    Thanks Ben,I'm very proud to own them. The desert trousers
    are great.I wear them often Smile

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by saltefanden on Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:24 am

    Nice one Alex! And should you wonder, the rank slots are for a Danish 'konstabel' or private; first class.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:00 pm

    Finally I found a cool rank insignia for my desert shirt!




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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by abefroman on Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:21 am

    Great stuff! I have been trying hard to get my hands on a Danish M1 helmet with the correct mesh net and band. But no luck so far! Thanks again for sharing.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by Wolverine on Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:13 pm

    There seem to be lots of civil defence models around (in grey), but I have had no luck with a proper army one. I do have one of the Norwegian-marked versions, which I believe are otherwise identical to the Danish army M48. (The Norwegian netting is much more user friendly though...) But I fear we have hi-jacked Mylle's thread...

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:24 pm

    I have not managed to secure a 2nd model desert uniform for myself, so I can say I'm jealous of yours Very Happy

    I got a Danish army helmet a while back through a friend of mine who had, past tense, a good connection. I think I can find it fairly easily if anybody has a question about features.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:06 pm

    Found a nice matching hood for my desert jacket:








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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:46 pm

    Proudly presenting:

    1 Variant rip stop woodland M84 blouse:










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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by ripcord on Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:41 pm

    Danish ripstop uniforms in these patterns are/were among the best in Europe IMHO.

    Great patterns ; simple but functional design. Good score Alex,

    The desert hood looks great.. The correct rank insignia on the woodland makes me jealous ..


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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:33 pm

    That is a very nice find.  It's a T/99 "Balkan" jacket which is the companion to the 1st model desert.

    The Danes have quite a few uniform variations out there.  I recently discovered a type I have never seen before.  This makes me wonder if I am missing something else Wink  

    Here is my list of what I think is all basic uniform components and designations.  Missing items and designation corrections are appreciated!

    T/78 - combat and garrison trousers
    M/84 - combat and garrison trousers
    T/99 Temperate (ripstop) - also known as "Balkan" type
    T/99 Desert (ripstop) - 1st model desert
    M/01 Temperate (ripstop) - production version of T/99.  I do not think there are differences
    M/01 Desert (ripstop) - same as above
    T/03 Temperate (ripstop) - experimental with arm pockets and other features
    M/05 Temperate (smooth) - similar to T/03, but simplified
    M/05 Temperate (ripstop) - same as above
    M/05 Desert (ripstop) - same as above
    M/11 Multicam (smooth) - only one variant as far as I know

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:05 am

    I should add that the M/05 designation is the one I am least sure of. The earliest date of this uniform I've seen is 2006. Usually year based military designations are the year prior to the first production examples. Then there is the M/05 Kampvest (LBV), which logically was introduced at the same time as the uniform. Which is why I'm guessing the designation for the uniform is M/05.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by henrik_clausen on Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:36 pm

    Hi,

    here is some information on the elements in the M/11 uniform system:

    This is essentially the old M/84 jacket and trousers, just in Multicam
    JAKKE, KAMP M/11, ALM., MTS
    BUKSER, KAMP M/11, ALM., MTS

    Jakke = jacket, bukser = trousers, alm. = normal, MTS = MultiTerrænSløring (Multiple terrain camouflage) = MultiCam

    This is the light jacket, previously made as "Balkan jacket" and desert:
    JAKKE, KAMP M/11, LET, MTS
    JAKKE M/11, LET, MTS, INSEKT
    BUKSER, M/11, LET, MTS, INSEKT
    BUKSER, M/11, LET, MTS

    Insekt = insect, meaning it has been treated with Permethrin (an insecticide)

    Boonie:
    HUE, FELT M/11, MTS

    Hue = cap, felt = field

    Under-armour shirt:
    KAMPSKJORTE TIL BESKYTTELSESVEST M/11, LET, MTS, INSEKT

    Kampskjorte = combat shirt, beskyttelsesvest = flak jacket

    Shorts:
    BUKSER, KAMP M/11, LET, KORT, MTS

    Kamp = combat, kort = short

    The rain coat and trousers:
    REGNJAKKE M/11, MTS
    BUKSER, REGN M/11, MTS

    Regn = rain

    BTW, the Danish Army wants to develop a new uniform system more suited for the current soldier, it is supposed to replace the M/11 system (parts of this is essentially from 1984 - before flak jackets, combat vests etc.). This might be developed in cooperation with one or more Nordic countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland).

    Best regards
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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by ripcord on Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:01 pm

    Good info as usual..

    Thank you for posting..


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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:27 am

    Hi Henrik,

    Thanks for posting, however I am still confused about the designations. There are very distinct and major changes from the m/84 through m/11. Are you saying that there is no designation changes between m/84 and m/11? I've seen references to m/01 before and certainly the uniform changed again around 2005, which is why I guessed m/05 is also a designation.

    It isn't like a military to make a major change to a uniform without also changing the designation. Which is why I'm confused by people continuing to call the "m/01" and "m/05?" uniforms "m/84".

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by henrik_clausen on Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:27 am

    Hi Steve,

    I'll try to make it a bit more clear Smile

    There is to variants of the M/11 uniform:

    1. M/11 ALM (almindelig = standard): This is basically the old M/84 uniform (issued from 1984) made in Multicam instead of the M/84 pattern.

    2. M/11 LET (light): This is basically the M/01 (or M/05 if this designation is used) made in Multicam instead of both M/84 and the desert variation of M/84.

    As far as I know the M/05 designation is not used - but the uniform is still called M/01 (I'm not 100 % sure on this!!!). You are right, there is a number of different variations - but I don't think the Danish Army as such distinguish between them.

    I'll try to find some photos!

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by henrik_clausen on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:52 am

    Hi again,

    I found some photos at http://camouniform.militaryblog.jp/

    The M/11, ALM - cut like the original M/84 jacket:


    The M/11, LET - cut like the M/01 lightweight jacket:


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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:49 pm

    Dang, I typed a very nice response and then lost it Sad Well, it started with thanking Henrik so I will start there again Very Happy

    I think I have enough information to update my list to make it look nicer. However, I am still uncertain about the M/05 designation. It is logical since the combat vest was introduced as M/05 and in the same year as the uniform style changed. The Danes seem to like changing designations with new uniforms, therefore I suspect there is an official number somewhere.

    T/78 ALM - combat and garrison trousers
    M/84 ALM - combat and garrison trousers

    T/99 LET - also known as "Balkan" type. Made in Ripstop cloth
    T/99 LET (Desert) - 1st model desert
    M/01 LET - production version of T/99. I do not think there are differences
    M/01 LET (Desert) - same as above

    T/03 LET - experimental with arm pockets and other features.

    M/05 ALM - similar to T/03, but simplified
    M/05 LET - same as above
    M/05 LET (Desert) - same as above

    M/11 ALM - same cut as M/84 jacket but in Multicam colors
    M/11 LET - same as M/05 but in smooth cloth
    M/11 LET (Permathrin) - same as above but with anti-insect treatment

    What is curious to me is that the M/11 ALM jacket is based on the M/84 ALM jacket, not the M/05 ALM. I know M/84 jackets were issued after the M/05 was introduced, but I thought that was simply to use up existing stocks. Now it seems there was no intention of getting rid of the design.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by henrik_clausen on Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:07 am

    Hi Steve,

    I found this on http://www2.forsvaret.dk/viden-om/materiel/udrustning/uniformer/Pages/Uniformer2.aspx

    [start my translation]
    Uniforms

    The Armed Forces began in 2013 the implementation of a new uniform in multi terrain camouflage - uniform M/11.
    This uniform will in due time replace the existing combat uniforms - M/84, M/01 i both green and desert, driver's suit M/09 and the M/04 of the Navy.

    The new uniform will be made in both a heavy and a lightweight version.

    The advantage of the multi terrain camouflage is that the pattern provides better protection in most types of terrain. The pattern is also in use with the British and Americans. Brown boots are used with the new uniform.
    [end my translation]

    No mentioning of any M/05... just M/84 and M/01 (the latter in both green and desert version).

    I have not found any information anywhere on a M/05 uniform. BTW the M/09 and M/04 mentioned in the quote above are unknown to me...

    So I think the list should be:

    T/78 - combat and garrison trousers and jacket
    M/84 - combat and garrison trousers and jacket

    T/99 - also known as "Balkan" type. Made in Ripstop cloth
    T/99  (Desert) - 1st model desert
    M/01 - production version of T/99. I do not think there are differences
    M/01 (Desert) - same as above

    M/11 ALM - same cut as M/84 jacket but in Multicam colors
    M/11 LET - same as M/01 but in smooth cloth


    But there is several versions of both the M/84 and the M/01. Pockets added to the upper arm etc. But I think the designation is still the same. The different version may even be worn at the same time in the same unit - see these 4 female soldiers (3 of them wears the "standard" version M/84 and the fourth a newer version with velcro on the upper arm pockets) :
     
    The foto was taken this autumn - it was found at www.forsvarsgalleriet.dk
    The cut of the newer version of the M/84 is much more like that of the M/11 ALM with no shoulder straps (instead a strap for the rank badge on the front), upper arm pockets with velcro etc. But it still has the "basic elements" of the M/84: big lower pockets on the jacket and upper zip pockets. The M/01 and M/11 LET has "Canadian" buttons both on the upper and lower pockets.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:29 pm

    Great information!  OK, so it looks like (for whatever reason) there is no separate designation for the ~2006 modifications to the M/01 uniform.  That is very un-Danish Smile  

    Thanks for reminding me about the modified M/84 jacket and trousers!  I have one hanging 1m away from me and I forgot all about it Wink

    Here is my updated list organized by basic uniform design.  I have used official Danish T and M numbers that are known, but I added "standard" collecting nomenclature to distinguish the different purposes of the uniform.  Specifically that Temperate is smooth cloth in green colors, Tropical is ripstop in green colors, and Desert is ripstop in desert colors.  1st Model indicates the first major version within a designation (in this case M/01) and 2nd Model indicates the second major version within the same designation.  This allows collectors an easier way to know which uniform is which with less chance of confusion:

    T/78 - combat and garrison trousers and jacket
    M/84 1st Model - combat and garrison trousers and jacket

    T/99 Tropical - also known as "Balkan" type. Made in Ripstop cloth
    T/99 Desert - 1st model desert
    M/01 1st Model Tropical - production version of T/99. I do not think there are differences
    M/01 1st Model Desert - same as above

    2003 Trials Tropical - M/01 Tropical with added arm pockets and other features.  Definitely official Danish MoD and dated 2003.  This appears to be the trials version of what became the M/01 2nd Model.

    M/84 2nd Model - similar to standard M/84 but with arm pockets as with M/01 2nd Model jackets and similar trousers.  I have one dated 2007
    M/01 2nd Model Temperate  - similar to 2003 Trials, but simplified and in smooth cloth.  I have one dated 2007
    M/01 2nd Model Tropical  - same as above, but in ripstop.  I have one dated 2007
    M/01 2nd Model Desert - same as above, but in desert colors.  I have pictures of one dated 2006

    M/11 ALM - same cut as M/84 2nd Model but in Multicam colors
    M/11 LET - same as M/01 but in smooth cloth

    Note that I have all but two of these uniforms in my collection (I lack 2003 Trials and M/11 ALM) and therefore I can verify this list documents the minimum number of variations.  There might be others. I hope not because these things are expensive to acquire Wink

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by henrik_clausen on Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:14 pm

    Nice list, Steve!

    Perhaps the next step would be to illustrate each variation of the list and some comments on each variation? I'll try to do a bit of work on that and perhaps we could work something out together?

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:53 am

    Yup, that sounds like a great idea! I'm going to start a new thread and reference this one.

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    Re: My M84 stuff

    Post by mylle on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:51 pm

    Good work guys!Never thought that it could be so difficult to designate the Danish stuff....

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