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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:25 pm

    I don't have a whole lot yet, but still some of my favorite things.


    First up are a couple of simple long-sleeve button DPM shirts, both dated 1990.

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    An M78 jacket, also dated 1990 and with the wool vest liner. No hood unfortunately.

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    A jungle camouflage shirt, no date. Guessing 1990's as well?

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    An M58 HBT shirt, dated 1971

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    Matching trousers M58 "Binnenbroek", dated 1970.

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    And a cap, although I'm not sure the designation. Looks like it would match the M78 jacket, and it's dated 1984.
    Might be M58 and never updated and worn with the M78, but I don't know. I base all these designations off of michelwijnand's display thread.
    If anyone knows what model it is or can provide any corrections to anything I've listed, you're always welcome to!

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    I apologize if some of the photos are reposts, I can't really recall what's been posted before or not, and I don't have a lot of Dutch photos.
    Nevertheless, enjoy!


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    Post by Wolverine Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:06 pm

    The heavy combat jacket is actually also an M58 model - it is the outer jacket, and there were also outer trousers, which were double weight. The field cap is designated M53, if I recall correctly. The best reference on this clothing is the large book by M. Talens. Let me know if you need a hood for your combat jacket.
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    Post by michelwijnand Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:27 am

    Field cap is also M58, before that there were no fieldcaps.
    M78 should be correct for the jacket, as the outer uniforms also changed in the 70's, the final form being standardized in 1978.
    Before that I've seen jackets from 1973 until 78 with varying features, like exposed pocket buttons and deletion of the extra flap closing the collar front.
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    Post by Wolverine Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:23 pm

    I rechecked M. Talens's book Van Grijsgroen Naar Camouflage - admittedly my reading comprehension of Dutch is limited, but I can find no trace of an official M78 designation for a modified or updated version of the M58 outer jacket. (See page 144-47.) I don't doubt that there were changes in design, but it doesn't seem to have changed the model designation or stock numbers.

    Talens states that the designation for the field cap is M53 (See page 150). (I am pretty sure that I have one dated 1954 or 1955, so I reckon that they must have existed before 1958 - I will look for it.)

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    Post by Wolverine Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:56 am

    Here it is - 1955.
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    Post by michelwijnand Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:01 am

    That looks like it has a hard flap, does it?
    If so, it would be some different model than the regular ones
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:05 pm

    No, it is virtually identical to other ones I have from the 1970s or 1980s. The peak just appears stiff because it has never been worn.

    There are some minor variations among different caps - some have eyelets, others do not; some have a seam centred at the front, others do not. I think these are simply minor production variations, not model changes. Talens mentions only the Model 53 for the army, until the DPM caps were introduced. It is the case that these caps were introduced a few years before the M58 field uniforms. There is no such thing as an M58 cap according to Talens's inventory of Dutch field clothing.
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:34 pm

    Defibbing this thread some 5 years later, heh, since I have since gotten a little more, mostly Cold War era stuff.
    I'll start with the older stuff and end with the more recent.


    A new pic of the Binnengevechtspak HBT uniform.
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    Some M58 Buitenbroek trousers, nearly unissued but missing the braces/suspenders.
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    A very cool M53 helmet with a Hessian cover, net, and inner tube band. The liner is dated 1973, but I can't really read the shell stamps
    to tell when or where it was made.

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    A pair of gray, folding, tinted goggles, advertised as Dutch by a certain Finnish surplus dealer but I haven't found any
    photos of these in use, figured they might actually by a Civil Defense thing since they are gray. I've put them on the M53 for display
    for now but if anybody knows anything about them, please let me know. I've seen similar goggles in use by the West Germans and Swedes, they
    seem to be based off the WW2 German Augenschützer 42 goggles.
    I've seen a couple photos of the KL-44 (M44 SWD copy) goggles worn on helmets but none of these.

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    Very special thanks to Andrew/Wolverine for the following Dutch webbing items, to eventually (hopefully soon) be put together for
    a full Dutch infantry display.
    Starting with a 1988 canteen set:

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    An M52 small pack with straps, a later rubberized version, dated 1991.
    Forgot to ask, when did these rubberized ones come around? I would figure a canvas or blancoed canvas one would be more correct
    for the 60's-80's but if these rubberized ones were at least around by the 80's I could use it for a late display.

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    An M52 belt (with canteen on it), brace attachments, and e-tool carrier.
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    And all together, with the pack. Working on getting the gas mask and FAL bayonet next. Was there anything else
    that would be commonly worn by a Dutch rifleman circa 60's-80's? From my understanding magazine pouches were not always worn
    but I see them more in 60's photos compared to 70's and 80's ones.
    Also, would it be more correct to flip the e-tool carrier so the handle points upwards? Seems to have been more their style.

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    Wool scarf, 1965:
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    Some sort of service shirt, can't tell the date. I was told it's an M78 shirt but I'm not positive on that.
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    A Dutch Marines DPM shirt, dated 1991, with "Korps Mariniers" shoulder title and rank slides to what seems to be a "Marine 1st Class".
    To my understanding this unique, paler, "purple" DPM saw service from the mid 80's until the early 90's.

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    A second shirt, also 1991 with nicer colors but devoid of insignia.
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    A 1990 dated heavyweight DPM shirt (unsure of the model), named to a Cpl. Sienema, a paratrooper of the First Division 7 December.
    Also, a pair of 1992 dated trousers which seem to go to this type of shirt, which feature a strange velcro opening thing to the left waist.
    I have not much info on these uniforms and designations, so please let me know if I get anything wrong!

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    And to finish for now, a jungle camo cap, and a new pic of the shirt:
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    Enjoy!
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    Post by michelwijnand Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:29 am

    The grey snowgoggles have been used by at least marines very recently in the 2010's.

    The rubberized backpack and accompanying other rubberized parts are from the 80's.

    Just a question about 1 photo though, the one under the marine corps DPM shirt, was Ronals Westmaas ok with you sharing a photo of him like this?
    As far as I know he only shares his photos with others to look at, not to publicize, if he did though, then please ignore my question Smile

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:35 am

    Thank you for addressing that Michel, actually, I did not contact him as I couldn't find a way to. I saved some of his pics as reference a couple years ago but was too focused on finding a reference pic for that pattern to remember to address that, since his turned out to be the only one I had. Since he may not want it here and I'm no longer able to edit the post, could a mod remove his photo from here for now?

    Regarding the snow goggles, are they a recent issue item then? The design seems quite old, very similar to the German/Swedish goggles of the 60's/70's.
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    Post by michelwijnand Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:34 pm

    No problem, was just curious as he has sent me and a friend photos before but always stressed that we shouldn't share them everywhere.

    And yes I've seen these goggles in use until at least 2018. No idea when they were first issued though

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