My Dutch Stuff

I don't have a whole lot yet, but still some of my favorite things.


First up are a couple of simple long-sleeve button DPM shirts, both dated 1990.





An M78 jacket, also dated 1990 and with the wool vest liner. No hood unfortunately.




A jungle camouflage shirt, no date. Guessing 1990's as well?




An M58 HBT shirt, dated 1971





Matching trousers M58 "Binnenbroek", dated 1970.






And a cap, although I'm not sure the designation. Looks like it would match the M78 jacket, and it's dated 1984.
Might be M58 and never updated and worn with the M78, but I don't know. I base all these designations off of michelwijnand's display thread.
If anyone knows what model it is or can provide any corrections to anything I've listed, you're always welcome to!








I apologize if some of the photos are reposts, I can't really recall what's been posted before or not, and I don't have a lot of Dutch photos.
Nevertheless, enjoy!














-Nate

The heavy combat jacket is actually also an M58 model - it is the outer jacket, and there were also outer trousers, which were double weight. The field cap is designated M53, if I recall correctly. The best reference on this clothing is the large book by M. Talens. Let me know if you need a hood for your combat jacket.

Field cap is also M58, before that there were no fieldcaps.
M78 should be correct for the jacket, as the outer uniforms also changed in the 70's, the final form being standardized in 1978.
Before that I've seen jackets from 1973 until 78 with varying features, like exposed pocket buttons and deletion of the extra flap closing the collar front.

I rechecked M. Talens's book Van Grijsgroen Naar Camouflage - admittedly my reading comprehension of Dutch is limited, but I can find no trace of an official M78 designation for a modified or updated version of the M58 outer jacket. (See page 144-47.) I don't doubt that there were changes in design, but it doesn't seem to have changed the model designation or stock numbers.

Talens states that the designation for the field cap is M53 (See page 150). (I am pretty sure that I have one dated 1954 or 1955, so I reckon that they must have existed before 1958 - I will look for it.)

Here it is - 1955.

That looks like it has a hard flap, does it?
If so, it would be some different model than the regular ones

No, it is virtually identical to other ones I have from the 1970s or 1980s. The peak just appears stiff because it has never been worn.

There are some minor variations among different caps - some have eyelets, others do not; some have a seam centred at the front, others do not. I think these are simply minor production variations, not model changes. Talens mentions only the Model 53 for the army, until the DPM caps were introduced. It is the case that these caps were introduced a few years before the M58 field uniforms. There is no such thing as an M58 cap according to Talens's inventory of Dutch field clothing.

The grey snowgoggles have been used by at least marines very recently in the 2010's.

The rubberized backpack and accompanying other rubberized parts are from the 80's.

Just a question about 1 photo though, the one under the marine corps DPM shirt, was Ronals Westmaas ok with you sharing a photo of him like this?
As far as I know he only shares his photos with others to look at, not to publicize, if he did though, then please ignore my question

Thank you for addressing that Michel, actually, I did not contact him as I couldn't find a way to. I saved some of his pics as reference a couple years ago but was too focused on finding a reference pic for that pattern to remember to address that, since his turned out to be the only one I had. Since he may not want it here and I'm no longer able to edit the post, could a mod remove his photo from here for now?

Regarding the snow goggles, are they a recent issue item then? The design seems quite old, very similar to the German/Swedish goggles of the 60's/70's.

No problem, was just curious as he has sent me and a friend photos before but always stressed that we shouldn't share them everywhere.

And yes I've seen these goggles in use until at least 2018. No idea when they were first issued though

and that odd velcro thingie on the left of that camo trousers is the Dutch way of making the waist wider or smaller, and I find that a very comfortable way to do so, surely compared to two or three buttons, or a slider like the US BDU.

TennoHeikaNate wrote:Thank you for addressing that Michel, actually, I did not contact him as I couldn't find a way to. I saved some of his pics as reference a couple years ago but was too focused on finding a reference pic for that pattern to remember to address that, since his turned out to be the only one I had. Since he may not want it here and I'm no longer able to edit the post, could a mod remove his photo from here for now?

I just checked in and saw your request for the removal. A little late, but it is now removed

Steve

Bert353 wrote:and that odd velcro thingie on the left of that camo trousers is the Dutch way of making the waist wider or smaller, and I find that a very comfortable way to do so, surely compared to two or three buttons, or a slider like the US BDU.

I totally agree! It makes the adjusted waistband smooth and it doesn't loosen while being worn. I have always wondered why nobody else copied this method of waist adjustment.

Steve

The earliest rubber small pack that I have seen was dated 1983.