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    Post by Doc_KeystoneDiv Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:25 pm

    I have recently acquired a Hungarian Smock in what I believe is "Leaf II, Green" pattern. I knownthese were used primarily by the workers militia and paratroopers. My questions are;

    Does anyone know an exact date range for these uniforms? When were they introduced? 1970? Were they used until 1989?

    Does anyone have an official nomenclature for this pattern or type of uniform?

    Any information would be appreciated

    Thanks 

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    Post by vonstuck Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:52 am

    I have a beret in same camouflage pattern

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    Post by Doc_KeystoneDiv Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:19 am

    Super cool!! Where did you find that?
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    Post by deltaevo978 Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:25 am

    here's mine:

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    Post by Doc_KeystoneDiv Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:30 pm

    Also very cool. I love the color and fabric its printed on. Almost reminiscent of WW2 German stuff
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    Post by CollectinSteve Wed Jan 15, 2025 5:05 am

    The Hungarian nomenclature is a little confusing, for sure. I don't know where Tamas' excellent book on the subject has wandered off to, so I'll do the best I can without it.

    There are three types of leaf pattern, with some minor color variations for print runs and wash/wear. Two are nearly identical except their colors, the third is distinctly different as it has blurred edges. The latter is quite rare.

    From my notes, it appears the three patterns look like this:

    Type I = light colors with a more khaki tint to the lightest color
    Type II = blurred edge
    Type III = darker colors with a orange tint to the lightest color

    Type I was made in the 1951M coverall construction. I do not know when it was introduced or who used it.

    Type II was also made in the coverall construction. IIRC there were some slight construction differences, but I don't have a sample so and I'm going from memory of discussions about it.

    Type III was used for the two piece Worker's Militia uniform and a coverall for border guards in the 1951M construction, but designated 82M. As can be inferred from the designation, the border guard coverall was introduced in 1982 and used probably until after the collapse of the Communist government.

    I do have an example of Type II cloth, but it is a well done tailored 2 piece uniform made from a coverall. I don't know if mine was a one-off or if someone cut up a bunch to make available to Worker's Militia units.

    Honestly, I'm not too sure there's a difference between Type I and Type III. Or if there is, I'm missing it. To me it looks like different era print runs, not something intended to be different. The Type II, on the other hand, is very distinct.

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