New style of german woodland camo combat jacket！？

Hi all found this jacket it'is german trial or usesd for some SF unit？

I guess it's KSK.

Lovely avatar, I recognize it lol

Thats a very nice and used KSK smock. Scharrer UGB its an Bundeswehr contratctor for some years now. Nice find!

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Many thanks~All

Yes, absolutely genuine BW issue. In theory these uniforms are only worn by members of the DSO (Special Forces Division), but I don't know if that is strictly enforced. Certainly the genuine issued items are limited supply, but the commercial versions (nearly identical) are all over the place.

Steve

CollectinSteve wrote:...In theory these uniforms are only worn by members of the DSO (Special Forces Division), but I don't know if that is strictly enforced...

Steve

In theory and in practice. Sometimes you'll see non-DSO with commercial "KSK" smocks but it's a bit rare and allways are detached soldiers to DSO for some reason. Germans are very straight when concerning regulations and the use of parkas in the BW is mandatory

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That is one sweet looking shirt. I am jealous !

So how does one tell a commercial version from an issue one apart from the labels as I'd really like to get an issue one of these. Is there a copy version of this or just the smock ?

are there special smocks and trousers to go with the shirt ? I get the feeling 'KSK' is the German equivalent of adding 'SAS' on ebay to EVERYTHING British issue

Dave

Made a bummer

Somehow i saw the shirt octoberrust posted as a smock. The pocket cut and buttons are so mush alike...

@Dave

are there special smocks and trousers to go with the shirt ?...

The usual is to see those shirts with the matching KSK trousers that difer alot from the regular BW issued ones being the more revealing the CAD style buttons on pockets same as shirt and anti-snaging straps.

So how does one tell a commercial version from an issue one apart from the labels as I'd really like to get an issue one of these. Is there a copy version of this or just the smock ?

Don't know any copies made so far.

I get the feeling 'KSK' is the German equivalent of adding 'SAS' on ebay to EVERYTHING British issue

You so damn right on that. It's awefull trying to get some sort of KSK specific item and find normal stuff labeled as KSK

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Thanks for that info Albano.

I had a look on the internet and saw the same shirts for 79 euros and made by Kohler (?) Brand new, sized xl and xxl. Also with a large stock of same pattern in trop ....... zippers behind the bellows chest pockets and ......... some labelled as 'orig' and others not ........ couldn't see buttons.

called
Orig. KSK Bluse, Feldbluse, Feldjacke, Model. 09,
Neuware
Original Feldbluse der Kommandospezialkräfte
Hersteller: Leo Köhler
mit Versorgungsnummer
Material: 65% Baumwolle, 35% Polyester
2 große Brusttaschen mit Knöpfen und zusätzlichen seitlichen Reißverschlusstaschen
rechter und linker Arm mit Tasche und Klettbefestigung
verstärkte Ellenbogenpartie
Front mit großen Knöpfenverschließbar
Armenden mit Klett weitenverstellbar
absolut seltens Ausrüstungsteil
Versandgewicht: 0,9 kg

Dave

octoberrust wrote:

Picked one of these up on ebay and expecting it to arrive any time. VERY pleased

Dave

The Köhler pieces are all commercial, however they are identical to the Scharrer (genuine) items.

After 2004 you want to look for "LHBW" on the label. If it isn't there, it's commercial. Period. If it is there, it's genuine. Period. Pretty easy, eh? IIRC 2004 was the transition year to the new distribution system, so I'm guessing it is possible to find some items with the old "Q" numbers that are dated 2004 and legitimate.

Steve

Steve, I'll post photos of my one when it arrives but it is a Scharrer.

We shall see soon enough if i did ok or not

I'm sure you did well... as far as I know Scharrer doesn't make commercial pieces, or at least not like this.

Steve

just to let you know leo kohler do make issue ksk items like this wustentarn jacket

That's good to know Jimmy. Thanks for posting that up here. Up til now I've only looked for Scharrer items. Now I can widen the search.

Cheers

The Köhler pieces are not genuine issue (labels lack LHBW mark and code) however they are apparently widely used by DSO because they are easier to get a hold of than the Scharrer (genuine) pieces. As far as I know there are no effective differences between the Köhler shirt and the genuine one. This is not true for other pieces from what I've experienced.

Steve

well i dont know about that i have a normal kohler jacket in the same cut and the tags do not have nsns which means it is an issued or had been bough by an army.

The Köhler shirts are available on eBay, brand new, fairly regularly in many different sizes. As far as I know, if the label doesn't have a LHBW mark and code then it's not (strictly speaking) genuine issue. However, as I said the supply is problematic enough that DSO soldiers use the Köhler shirts. This is the information I got from a DSO member who is also a power collector and has supplied me with a bunch of genuine stuff. Including a LHBW set of Wüstentarn. When I asked about a matching shirt he said to get a Köhler one because that's what they do.

Unlike manufactures like TacUp, Arktis, TSR, etc. Köhler is a regular producer of genuine items. In fact, they were one of the original contractors who produced Flecktarn stuff in the early 1990s. But like American Apparel and Propper, they also sell direct to the civilian market with zero noticeable differences.

Steve

yes thats true but to get a nsn it has to bed tested and issued like alot of the platatac stuff for our SF, i have a civi copy also and the tags are diffrent from the issued one, so looks like kohler make issue sets to if only in small batch lots

Here is the difference between the issued kohler ksk shirt and the civi market one

Interesting that the top one doesn't have a LHBW mark on it. I'll ask my DSO friend to comment on that if he can.

For those who don't know about commercial pieces, the lower one has a lot of "red flags". First is the use of English. That should be a big one Second is there is no year of manufacture. The BW has been pretty consistent about having dates (usually month and year) on their clothing since the BW was created in 1955. No date generally means not government issued. Lastly, the "Q" numbering system was last used in 2003 +/- one year (definitely out by 2004). Q numbers were never a reliable way to distinguish a legitimate issued item since they appeared on lots of commercial stuff. However, seeing a Q number after 2004 is a for sure no-no. BW also uses an abstract sizing system and not a literal metric one. However, that seems to be changing very recently. At least the KSK stuff seems to be literally instead of abstractly measured.

Steve

i think the LHBW number is the second line down like on the issued scharrer stuff the number 468959 just doesnt have the LBWH in front