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Even If I don't collect helmets, I thought I should have at least one Austrian army steelhelmet.
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Mylle's Austrian Stuff
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
ripcord- Colonel
- Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-12-29
Number of posts : 2616
Have to love that net..
Looks great Alex.. Is that a dedicated camo helmet cover or ???
S
Looks great Alex.. Is that a dedicated camo helmet cover or ???
S
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Yeah Its a cool piece, the camo cover was made out of a shelter-half.Common practice.
ripcord- Colonel
- Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-12-29
Number of posts : 2616
Very nice...
A couple of my Italian helmets have covers made of spare hoods... As you said, common practice in the old days..
S
A couple of my Italian helmets have covers made of spare hoods... As you said, common practice in the old days..
S
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
I took some more detailed pics and also found another Austrian helmet, with grey color, the OD one was repainted I think.
CollectinSteve- ADMIN
- Location : New England, US
Registration date : 2009-03-08
Number of posts : 6658
If you're going to have something you don't normally collect, it should be nice. And you definitely have that with this helmet and cover combination! Very nice!
Steve
Steve
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Another piece of stuff I usually don't collect- unused messenger/map-bag.
Amazing fresh condition- like from the factory.
Amazing fresh condition- like from the factory.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Nice condition on that map case!! I have a couple also.. one is like yours..... factory fresh!!
bought mine from an AIRSOFT WWII cosplay dealer of all places!!
usual story " These are WW II german"!!
so I tentatively asked the price..... expecting a silly answer!!
" £15 mate!!!!"
well for that..... I snapped it up!!!.. as I had recently previously paid nearly £20 inc post for a well used example!!!
bought mine from an AIRSOFT WWII cosplay dealer of all places!!
usual story " These are WW II german"!!
so I tentatively asked the price..... expecting a silly answer!!
" £15 mate!!!!"
well for that..... I snapped it up!!!.. as I had recently previously paid nearly £20 inc post for a well used example!!!
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Found this nice current date pic on the Austrian Bundesheer homepage.It seems that the experimental KAZ 03 digi woodland stuff is still used ...Maybe something changed with the new minister....
http://www.bundesheer.at/misc/image_popup/ImageTool.php?strAdresse=/pool/img/20160203_083858.jpg&intSeite=1680&intHoehe=1050&intMaxSeite=1680&intMaxHoehe=995&blnFremd=1
http://www.bundesheer.at/misc/image_popup/ImageTool.php?strAdresse=/pool/img/20160203_083858.jpg&intSeite=1680&intHoehe=1050&intMaxSeite=1680&intMaxHoehe=995&blnFremd=1
ripcord- Colonel
- Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-12-29
Number of posts : 2616
Would be nice if they decided to produce them for general / SOF issue.
Would be great for those of us who are envying you..
S
Would be great for those of us who are envying you..
S
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
KAZ 59 parka with intact border guard patch:
CollectinSteve- ADMIN
- Location : New England, US
Registration date : 2009-03-08
Number of posts : 6658
Cool! The eagle diving to the right is until 1968, so what is the age of the jacket? Is the stitching straight or zig-zag? I have both the 1st and 2nd type badges and I'm thinking of putting it on a jacket. Did the border guard use M69 uniforms at all?
Steve
Steve
vonstuck- Colonel
- Location : FRANCE
Registration date : 2010-03-30
Number of posts : 3318
http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/austria.php
My jacket with same patch is 1960
Gilles
My jacket with same patch is 1960
Gilles
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Mine is from 1962 and yes the right looking eagle was used till 1968.
I mostly saw the borde guard patch on KAZ 59 parkas but also 1 time one a pic on an KAZ 69 jacket.
I mostly saw the borde guard patch on KAZ 59 parkas but also 1 time one a pic on an KAZ 69 jacket.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Hey Alex another nice addition!!! I wonder.... is the eagle facing the wrong way??? as yours is worn on the left arm... I thought that the early, 1st type was worn on the right arm... then the later second type was issued after the decision to position the patch on the left (so the eagles would always face forward!!???)..
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Thanks Paul, well I only saw the patch on the left sleeve, never on the right one.No matter which eagle patch version.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Hi Alex
I knew I had seen it on another forum Wehrmacht awards.. by BERNHARD very much considered an expert in the field...
this is what he wrote...
The Grenzschutz shield was the first official patch introduced in the Bundesheer.
The date : December 4 , 1961 .
The shield was designed to be worn on the soldiers right shoulder.
On November 25 ,1967 a new order regulated the wear of badges for the
Bundesheer ; from this date the shoulder patches have to be worn on the wearers left shoulder.
Suddenly the good old Grenzadler looked into the wrong direction if the patch would be worn on the left shoulder.....
so does this mean the early type were just transferred over.... facing the wrong way!!??
I knew I had seen it on another forum Wehrmacht awards.. by BERNHARD very much considered an expert in the field...
this is what he wrote...
The Grenzschutz shield was the first official patch introduced in the Bundesheer.
The date : December 4 , 1961 .
The shield was designed to be worn on the soldiers right shoulder.
On November 25 ,1967 a new order regulated the wear of badges for the
Bundesheer ; from this date the shoulder patches have to be worn on the wearers left shoulder.
Suddenly the good old Grenzadler looked into the wrong direction if the patch would be worn on the left shoulder.....
so does this mean the early type were just transferred over.... facing the wrong way!!??
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Well that sounds interesting Paul, heard that for the first time.Maybe they used the early type one
also after the second one was issued. Money was always low in the Austrian army.
Maybe the same way the used every camo KAZ typ clothing mixed up.
also after the second one was issued. Money was always low in the Austrian army.
Maybe the same way the used every camo KAZ typ clothing mixed up.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Yes I would say that's a completely plausible theory... is there any evidence on your example of the patch having been removed from the right side at all!??? sometimes the remnants of stitching are more visible on the inside.... or held up to a bright light source..(I have used this method to great effect in the past!!) but wouldn't that be just too good to be true!!!
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
There are no signs of stitching on the right sleeve.Just checked it, the patch was sewn on professionally and the thread looks old.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Worth a look tho eh!! its a great parka anyways... kinda makes me want to put my early and late Grenzshutz patches on parkas!!!
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
Finally found a KAZ 03 tanker jacket/blouson.Not easy to get.
austromunga- Sergeant
- Location : U.K.
Registration date : 2014-11-24
Number of posts : 267
Nice find Alex!!! must admit have not even seen one before your post!!! 
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CollectinSteve- ADMIN
- Location : New England, US
Registration date : 2009-03-08
Number of posts : 6658
mylle wrote:Well that sounds interesting Paul, heard that for the first time.Maybe they used the early type one
also after the second one was issued. Money was always low in the Austrian army.
Maybe the same way the used every camo KAZ typ clothing mixed up.
My guess is the same as yours. The parka was reissued to the border guard from "old stock", not from brand new supplies. Possibly even worn by soldiers already. I assume the parka has the HBA stamp in it, yes? If so then for sure it came from military stocks and therefore this theory is probably a good one. If it does not have HBA stamp then things get more complicated
Steve
mylle- Lieutenant Colonel
- Name : Alex
Location : Austria
Registration date : 2013-10-18
Number of posts : 2180
My parka has the HBA stamp so it came from army stocks for sure.
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