Korps Mariniers Webbing

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Got some more KM gear again, most of it I already had (more on that later), but some pieces are new for me, and 1 is entirely new to me as I've never seen it before.

This all came from the same person, who was in the marines around 1990, some parts also KL issue, and he said some were issue, and some were "acquired" through
other means. I've redacted his name and number markings on request.

First the new bits, a sleepingbag carrier harness, a "mutsdas" with one side opened to use it as a scarf, a messtin (already had some but this was KM issued),
and a shovel with a very strange cover, I never knew this existed!









Then an "aflaatharnas", looks like it is for parachute tower training, not sure how to assemble it correctly, or if
anything might be missing.






2 Britsh P58 sleeping bag liners (1 wool, 1 nylon), KM used at least British P58, Arctic and Dutch M58 sleeping bags.




A blanket, kitbag and a bag (I think for cleaning and maintenance gear) with small bits.





In the bag was also this form that lists the gear received in "use-loan" (not sure how to translate this well).




And then a punishment form, for the massive and violent crime of not wearing a white coat in the kitchen when the cook told him to.

Neat stuff - that shovel carrier is new to me also.

And here's a load of stuff from him that I already had, these will be for sale, though I'll have to check if I actually already have some of the underwear pieces and a towel in my collection or not.


M87 summer suit with KM patch and rankslides, size 47, 1989.






Webbing pieces, backpack, poncho roll with poncho, bandage pouch with bandage, US made grenade pouch, KL canteen and packstraps,
and H-suspenders that had ladder-buckles from the old type backpack added to lengthen the straps.





Old type kidney pouches, I saw the suspender loops at the back were angled, and I don't know if this is normal and if my other old pouches have this too or not.
(this might be reserved already)





4 Towels, 4 t-shirts, 1 short underpants, 1 long underpants, 2 longsleeved undershirts, 2 sports shirts, 2 sports shorts.




KL-gear, outer mittens, 2 long underpants, 1 longsleeved undershirt, towel, 2 handkerchiefs, tent-roll with pegs and string etc.




Another nylon P58 sleeping bag liner.

Thanks!

Yeah it's definately a weird one, the owner said he got a lot of remarks from other interested parties about it.
I'm gonna show it to some big-time KM collectors here who might know more.

I'm hoping it's some weird prototype from when the old leather covers fell out of use.

Just learned that the harness is actually meant for strapping the backpack in, attaching it to your actual parachute harness, and when in stable flight you can undo the hooks and then the pack will drop down to a few meters below you.

The person explaining also said it was quite handy with jumping in the dark, as it gives you a short second warning when you feel the pack landing

I have some kidney pouches with the angled loops also.

Ok, I can check my other early pouch tomorrow, I do know my late type has straight horizontal loops.

Oh and I got some intel from someone that has been in the marines since the late 80's and still is, he said the poncho rolls only ever came in
the envelope type, and that they themselves modified them, or had them modified to open sides to fit more stuff in there, like part of the
sleeping gear.

Also, the shown packstraps might actually be longer than the normal KL straps, but I'd have to check. Then that'd be a KM specific feature.

Has anyone ever come across evidence of marines using Canadian Forces C2 universal rucksacks (ie, the CF version of the US Army LW rucksack)?

Never, just webbing large packs, arctic packs, and some Berghaus ones or something like that

Here is a new mystery then:



Source:
https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail?q_searchfield=rugzak

The photo was taken in Scotland in 1971. That is a C2 for sure. The questions are, how did he get it, and who else was using one?

Wow, that's weird. Maybe it's what was issued in place of what later became the arctic pack? I mean those were invented sometime in the late 70's or something

The C2 was still a relatively recent item in 1971. Maybe a small number were tested by the marines?

Some new stuff again, I finally managed to find green pistolmag pouches! 4 Even! (1 for me, 1 for a friend, and 2 extra).

I also discovered yet another type of canteen pouch, made of the old canvas material, but with snap buttons like the nylon ones!
Also got some wristlets and ankle warmers for use with mountain boots (which I also got, but no photos yet).






I have extra ankle warmers if anyone needs.





And some extra of the nylon canteen pouches too.





And 2 extra pistolmag pouches, 1 of which is missing a latch part, but it's still rare AF.

Just checked some straps today, compared the ones I got in the large load of KM stuff a while back to some KL ones I already had.
I already heard KM had a specific type that was longer so it would fit around the sleeping bag, turns out these are just that.

Top 2 KM, lower 2 KL.

The KM ones have buckles with both sides closed, as opposed to 1 open side on the KL ones.
The slightly shorter KM one is also sewn a bit differently, maybe it's a generational difference, maybe it has been damaged close
to the buckle and repaired by shortening it a bit, who knows.

Just bought this one, not part of the webbing system, but also used with it.

Oldgen Berghaus Cyclops 2 Vulcan with the old style buckles.
Sadly has 1 mismatched sidepouch with broken zipper and late type straps with fastex clips, probably replaced in service as this one came from Dutch stocks.





Refpics, mostly of the pack or sidepouches, but also some of the gaiters:

The guy marching in the B/W picture is wearing an Austrian magazine pouch it seems.

Yes he is, probably acquired on some international exercise

Thank you all for posting info on this confusing topic.  The Korps Mariniers had a Marine Brigade trained and equipped by the USMC at Camp Lejeune in 1944-1945 for the war in the Pacific.  (Meanwhile teh Dutch Army's Princess Irene Brigade had been formed and equipped in England during the war with British weapons and gear). The atomic bombs put an abrupt end to the war and the Marine Brigade deployed to the Netherlands East Indies to reestablish Dutch authority on the Dutch colony.  They ended up fighting in eastern Java and on Madura Island during the Indonesian Independence War (1945-1949).  The brigade was basically indistinguishable from a USMC unit, from M4 Sherman tanks to dungarees. (except for British 25-pounder field guns).  

Upon the Marines' return to the Netherlands they maintained all the US equipment and weapons until eventually replaced with items influenced by the British. With the costs to rebuild the infrastructure in the Netherlands and to fight two wars in the Pacific (in the Netherlands East Indies and in Western New Guinea) the Marine Korps ended up using a mix of Dutch British and American equipment until the Netherlands shifted to NATO standards. In the 1970s the Korps Mariniers began working closely with the British Royal Marines (in particular with the UK/NL Landing Force formed in 1972 to defend NATO's northern flank).

Here is a picture of a chest rig in DPM camo used by both Dutch Army and Marine Corps personnel.  I found it in the Netherlands but it is manufactured by Arktis.

Nice one, Arktis became massively popular to Marines during the 90's and many different of their rigs and vests can be seen in use by them from the 90's into the 00's.
I can understand why as the regulation webbing in the 90's was a mess, and they would just visit shops in the UK while on exercise and buy loads of this stuff, also by other brands like Comkit, SASS and HM Supplies. Good for them that they had more freedom to do so than the normal army

michelwijnand wrote:Some more stuff I have.

Nylon 2- and 3-cell magazine pouches, presumably meant for early 90's tropical issue, like Cambodia etc.




Old type 3-cell magpouch, shoulderstrap seems shortened, as the crossloop seems to be lower than normal.




M1 carbine pouches bought together with the rest. I now have 5 of these pouches, so if anyone needs some, I have a few to spare.
No idea what the bottom pouches are, KL, KMarns, commercial....




KMarns type K-mask bag. Which has an extra attachment to the belt, instead of just the M-1910 type hooks.
These bags are easily available here, so if anyone needs them, drop me a line.

This Uzi or Madsen pouch? What material is it made of? It doesn’t look like the standard canvas.

Do you mean bottomright in the 1st photo?
That's a KM Uzi pouch, it's made of thick canvas, like the normal type FAL pouches

michelwijnand wrote:Do you mean bottomright in the 1st photo?
That's a KM Uzi pouch, it's made of thick canvas, like the normal type FAL pouches

That’s the one. It looked like nylon instead of the standard canvas.Do you still have it. I have one with the vertical seem and would like to complete a set.

I do but it's not going anywhere, the vertical seam type seems to be quite rare and I am also waiting to walk into another

Happy hunting Any idea what text or markings on the QR?