Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

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    Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:51 pm

    Hello!

    On a local second-hand market I found wonderful  "Chocolate chips" jacket, a 6 Color Desert Сombat Uniform dated 1984.

    Size: Small - Regular,
    Material:  50% Cotton 50% Nylon Twill                          
    Contract #: DLA100-84-C-0726                      
    Manufacturer: Terry Manufacturing Co., Inc.                            
    NSN:8415-01-102-6762                            
    Particularities: Elvis collar + inside liner in the upper back + reinforced elbows





    I tried to find out if it's real one or copy.

    On the web-site: https://sites.google.com/site/unitedstatesmilitarycollection/desert-uniforms

    I found some contradictional info, and that's really strange.

    Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip"
    Coat, Desert Camouflage Pattern; Combat  (desert 6 colors)





    According to the site, the Contract # (DLA100-84-C-0726) corresponds to the Manufacturer (Terry Manufacturing Co., Inc.) - that's true and is seen on the tags inside,
    BUT
    this manufacturer produced only X-Small - Short sized jackets with NSN:8415-01-102-6758.

    The Size (Small - Regular) and NSN:8415-01-102-6762, indicated on my jacket, correspond to another contract manufacturer - "Selma Apparel Corporation".

    Another interesting fact: in a lower cargo pocket I found a small brand-new piece of paper with inscription "INSPECTED BY 10".


    Any ideas, what's the matter and what it ould be?

    Thanks in advance for any comments and/or suggesions!

    Best regards,
    Haydamaka

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:01 pm

    It could be that Terry Manufacturing was a sub contractor. I'm not quite sure what the rules were back in the 1980s, but the "Prime" contractor is generally allowed to "Subcontract" to fulfill orders. The Prime must take total responsibility the same as if it manufactured them.

    What I am less clear about is what company name would appear.

    In any case, I don't know of any fakes like this, therefore I am very sure it is genuine. The inspection ticket in the pocket looks good too.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:10 am

    Steve,
    Thank you for your response and explanations!

    I agree with your arguments, and I also think that the web-site I have mentioned is not an absolutely complete source of information, and many small details are hidden after more than 30 years.

    I supposed that the jacket was original during the purchasing (I checked the contract and NSN numbers), and I rejected another "chockolate chips" jacket, which seemed too much like commercial stuff - without inside liner in the upper back and very suspicious inscriptions on white ID tags.

    It was a surprise for me to learn that 6-color desert pattern was invented and introduced not just before the "Desert Storm/Shield", but much earlier, and as you guys wrote in another topic, the earliest 6-color DCU dates back to the early or mid-1970s!!!

    I really appreciate you inputs and information, which allow one to learn something new and interesting!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Wolverine on Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:34 pm

    It is no doubt original - I have lots of US Army items made by Terry, and this jacket has all of the early features - Elvis collar, and the upper interior shoulder skirt that disappeared on later contracts. As Steve pointed out, no one seems to be reproducing this type of clothing, at least not with tags that are so accurate.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:49 pm

    Haydamaka wrote:It was a surprise for me to learn that 6-color desert pattern was invented and introduced not just before the "Desert Storm/Shield", but much earlier, and as you guys wrote in another topic, the earliest 6-color DCU dates back to the early or mid-1970s!!!

    Yes, and it was a surprise to me as well! I knew there was limited issue of the uniform in the 1980s, but I did not realize experimentation began in the mid 1970s. I have an example from 1978.

    I really appreciate you inputs and information, which allow one to learn something new and interesting!

    And we appreciate having a nice jacket to look at and talk about Wink

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Wolverine on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:18 pm

    In the Natick Labs photo archive there are images of chocolate trip trials from at least 1973, if not a little earlier (according to the photo captions at least). It appears that plan tan clothing was tested at around the same time.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:44 pm

    Wow!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Camonut314 on Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:24 am

    I actually talked to a former member of 10th mountain that said when they were on training one day in 1979, the call cam out for them to get geared up and head out to the tarmac. They exchanged their greenside uniforms for TAN uniforms of some sort (he was not to clear on anything except that they were desert tan) and waited outside for the better part of 10 hours before they were told to stand down. They found out later that day that they were one call away from being deployed to Afghanistan...

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Wolverine on Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:22 pm

    Here is a couple of examples from the Natick Soldier Systems Photographic Collection:

    captioned 1972:


    captioned 1975:


    Somewhere I have a pair of tan trousers, cut roughly the same as OG M1951 field trousers, and dated 1976 or 1977. I will need to dig them out for photos.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by mylle on Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:45 pm

    Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:31 pm

    Sweet pictures! I figured the tan uniform was based on the "Transitional" uniform design (pleated pockets) since that's what the jungle green, ERDL/Woodland, and 6 Color Desert uniforms at the time were based around.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by ripcord on Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:57 pm

    I have seen early DBDUs ( 6 color chocolate chip ) with the same cut as transitional ERDL.

    They did indeed initially have  pocket pleats like  transitional ERDL/ OD uniforms


                                                                             

                                                                             












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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:04 pm

    Thank you all for sharing interesting information!
    That's amazing!

    In my previous message I wrote: "... and I rejected another "chockolate chips" jacket, which seemed too much like commercial stuff - without inside liner in the upper back and very suspicious inscriptions on white ID tags".

    After reading the topics on this forum I decided to return back to that local second-hand market and make sure whether that jacket fake/copy or not.

    I made pictures and I'm going o present them to your judgement...









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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Wolverine on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:07 pm

    That jacket is legit, and it probably dates from around 1990. At that point, the inside skirt was omitted.

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:20 pm

    Thank you, Wolverine!

    After checking out the manufacturer and NSN on the web-site: https://sites.google.com/site/unitedstatesmilitarycollection/desert-uniforms

    I also think this jacket is not fake or copy.

    It features 50% Cotton 50% Nylon Twill, Contract № 8055-90, manufacturer "Defense Personnel Support Center", Elvis collar + white tags, no reinforced elbows, no inside liner, no waist tag ...

    But the NSN 8415-01-102-6760 corresponds rather to "Winfield Mfg. Co., Inc.".


    Anyway, what do you think?
    Thank you all in advance!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Wolverine on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:58 pm

    The NSN does not correspond to a particular contractor or manufacturer, but to an explicit item. In this case, 8415 refers to a general class or category of item (ie, clothing), 01 is the country code (USA), and 102-6760 is a stock number or part number that describes a desert camouflage jacket in this particular size. As such, the same jacket, in the same size, would have the same NSN whether it was sourced from Winfield Mfg, Terry, American Apparel, or the DPSC.

    I have seen plenty of un-badged DPSC chocolate chip items in the thrift stores and fleamarkets, in new and used condition. There is nothing about this jacket that suggests to me that it is a copy.


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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:01 pm

    Thank you very much again, Wolverine, for your comprehensive and detailed answer!!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by drmatz on Wed May 11, 2016 2:30 pm

    for those interested, here is a picture of the actual uniform in that picture, the early natick trials






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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by ripcord on Wed May 11, 2016 5:30 pm

    Danilo,

    Very nice  set of trials/ experimental DBDU..  Thanks for posting them.



    These are very scarce indeed and not well known .    Just missed the chance for a lone blouse recently affraid and am not happy at myself.

    Your set is cut like the 2 uniforms in the 2nd photo and the tan uniform in the first photo;  straight pockets with  center  pleat/gore  just like RDF types.
    The 6 color DBDU  uniform in the 1st photo is cut like Vietnam era OD107/ERDL  combat uniforms with rounded pockets as opposed to straight angled pockets.
    Looking at just these few pieces makes me wonder how many more variations must have existed, however briefly, prior to official issue of 6 color DBDUs.

    Wonderful examples of transitional pieces that are rarely seen..












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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Haydamaka on Wed May 11, 2016 6:08 pm

    Thank you, drmatz!

    Very interesting and informative pics!

    Cool set!

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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Camonut314 on Wed May 11, 2016 7:43 pm

    Hmm.. I just had a lone blouse that I just sold because it was too big for me. Saved the pics, though. Unfortunately, the label was pretty faded.








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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by ripcord on Wed May 11, 2016 9:09 pm

    Nice one G.

    This one has no inner camo " cape " and what looks like brown buttons..
    Most uniform  contractors used tan buttons, but not all.

    Another nice variation;  this one seems to have  been  issue rather than experimental.

    Too bad I did'nt know about it...





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    Re: Desert uniforms (DCU) - DESERT 6 colors "Chocolate chip" dated 1984

    Post by Camonut314 on Thu May 12, 2016 1:39 am

    Thanks, I figure if I look through enough piles of the DBDU's, I can find something interesting. It was odd, so I picked it up, despite it being a size Large.

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