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    Qatari Splinter

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:38 am

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by Philip on Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:49 pm

    Very interesting camo!

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:23 pm

    Qatari Marines .

    These uniforms are manufactured in Turkey and are of good quality.

    Official tags have been replaced with tags that only show size information due to supposed copyright issues.

                                                                                                     



                                                                                             

                                                                                             

                                                                                             

                                                                                              

                                                                                              

                                                                                              

                                                                                              


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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by vonstuck on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:18 pm

    Really Qatari Marines ?
    I not found evidence of the use of this pattern
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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:46 pm

    This pattern has been in use since 2015; I believe the ( Marines ) cut is relatively new..


                                                           












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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:16 pm

    Colours are different also. I believe its mor sf cut and pattern due to the colours are close to the old sf pattern.
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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 pm

    Gilles is right! This is a different pattern..

    Not only different but the set I posted has 3 colours compared to the 4 colours of your set..

    My contact assures me the set is legit issue .  Very possible SF can use this as well as marines.


    There is a new SF desert uniform as well, but with a more DPM look and totally differnt colors.






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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:35 pm

    Also there is no Qatari Marines. Embarassed

    Apparently, I was given some bum info and I did not check it out .

    Source swears the uniform is legitimate current Quatari military  issue.

    Guess we'll find out..



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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by mylle on Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:14 pm

    Looks interesting. Pattern and cut....Tag looks similar to the surplus market Swedish M90 stuff with the replaced tags.
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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:20 am

    I'm suspicious, Rip.  The ones in the real world picture you posted appear to be BDU with epaulets, which is consistent with the region and contrary to the cut you have. Yours is in a straight ACU copy without epaulets or button down belt loops, which I'd bet a month's wages are present on the genuine issue uniforms in that picture (even though we can't see them). Epaulets and button down belt loops aren't a 100% sure thing or Middle Eastern Uniforms, but the absence of them should raise red flags until confirmed.

    Lastly, there is the tag.  That does look like the same cheap tags that were put on the re-processed and de-milled Swedish tropical uniforms.  But unlike the Swedish uniforms, what you have appears to have been factory sewn into the collar, whereas with the Swedish ones they were obviously sewn post manufacture.

    I can not count how many times someone has told me a uniform is "genuine issue" because they don't understand what a "genuine issue" uniform is to us collectors.  To some as long as the camouflage pattern looks kinda the same that's "genuine issue" for them.  Or if it is made by a genuine military contractor it's "genuine issue". Or they're shifty and are telling you what they know you want to hear. I always presume ignorance rather than bad intentions.

    My guess is this is genuine issue cloth and genuine issue buttons made by a genuine issue military contractor, but it was made in a non-genuine issue cut.  Since ACU patterns are cheap and readily available, that's the one they went with.

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:31 am

    I can understand someone being dubious of this set...

    But after consulting with a couple of collectors including one who has one as well, I believe this could be legit..

    Many reasons lead me to conclude that but I'll start at the beginning..

    The  uniform that Jimmy posted and that starts this thred is the same uniform being worn by Qatari personnel in the photo I posted.     We know that uniform is legit because it has legit tags.

    The cut is classic BDU with some small differences.  It does have epaulettes, but no button down oversize beltloops a la Gulf Arab states . If you'd bet a month's wage on that you would have lost . Very Happy

    My uniform is totally different but for the similarities of the pattern.   Obviously the colors are different and are only 3 compared with Jimmy 's BDU type which has 4.

    I am convinced both uniforms ( and others ) are made in the same factory ( in Turkey ).

    Believe mine is a new type that is either in process of being issued, or will be issued in near future; probably to special ops troops, but  obviously not marines.

    In most cases non genuine uniforms are  cheap and usually shoddy.   This unifom is neither.   The sewing is good as is the material which is a stretchy lightweight ripstop.

    The buttons appear to be legit qatari armed forces buttons and are used throughout. Zippers are used for chest and sleeve pockets .
    Use of velcro is limited to 2 strips above the chest pockets and 2 sleeve pocket panels for patches .
    When looking at the trousers of both Jimmy 's and my sets, it is obvious the waist cinches are quite unique and identical in design..   Not something associated with cheap copies.
    Also, the buttons of both uniforms are sown in the same unique way.

    As mentioned, the M90 batch had  tags sown in post production.    I believe generic tags on my set and others like mine were sown at the factory with the intent of selling pilfered uniforms to collectors.

    I could be wrong, and often am, but I believe we will see more of this uniform and other new patterns for this nation in the future ..



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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:31 pm

    Two sayings come to mind:

    1. Anything is possible
    2. Proof is in the pudding

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    For myself, I'm putting this into the "don't rule it out, can't rule it in" category. A single clear picture of it in use would easily settle this. Maybe one of your contacts that insists it's genuine issue can offer up a picture?

    I agree there are some features on your uniform that are not common, but I've recently given up putting faith in quality to confirm a uniform or rule it out. China, Sri Lanka, Tunisia, etc. are all doing high quality fancy stuff these days. Not as much for the commercial markets, true enough, but it's not like it used to be. Which sucks, because I liked the old days!

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by jimmyduncan23 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:16 am

    I believe the seller is the same seller i got the official uniform off. So i would tend more to the real. Unknown unit/service of qatar
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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:41 pm

    Here is an interesting photo.

    Clearly shows Jimmy's uniform but also a new desert SF type uniform.

    The former are still available with legit tags from my source while the latter are also available from the same source but do not have legit issue tags .


    I think the new desert SF type uniform and the one I posted may be new issue to Qatar spec ops forces.




                                                                                       



                                                                                      



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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:14 pm

    Ooo!!! That's beautiful! I've always been a sucker for orange based DPM.

    Note that this example has... epaulets Smile It might seem strange for me to keep coming back to a rather minor feature, but it's one of the few things that's been consistently seen on ME uniforms for the past 3-4 decades of camouflage. Even this latest example of a modern ME uniform, which is definitely influenced by ACU, has epaulets. Of course it is absolutely possible that one uniform broke with the tradition, it's just still a red flag in my head until a photo puts it to rest.

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:27 pm

    Some decent pieces coming from Turkey lately..

    Yes, epaulettes are big in the ME . Seems that it is still the preferred method of affixing rank.

    I keep coming back to quality with this uniform. If it is legit, I'm certain we'll find out soon enough..

    If it's not legit , it is still a beatiful quality uniform that I like alot ..

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by Zedthefed on Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:57 pm

    I got a set last month probably from the same guy. It's nice s***.


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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:01 pm

    ripcord wrote:Some decent pieces coming from Turkey lately..

    Yes, epaulettes are big in the ME .   Seems that it is still the preferred method of affixing rank.

    I keep coming back to quality with this uniform. If it is legit, I'm certain we'll find out soon enough..

    If it's not legit , it is still a beatiful quality uniform that I like alot ..

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    Agreed that you win either way, and that's a great position to be in Wink

    Interesting to think that Turkey might be the new South Korea for Middle Eastern uniform production. Makes total sense.

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:17 pm

    Keep 'em coming!

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by ripcord on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:54 pm

    Not that clear of a photo..but a possible...


                                                                                         












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    Re: Qatari Splinter

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:06 pm

    ripcord wrote:Not that clear of a photo..but a possible...

    Front and rear guys are wearing the super awesome subdued orange DPM, middle guy appears to be wearing the BDU splinter. No obvious arm pocket on that one and I think I can see an epaulet.

    Thanks for posting the pics Gilles. Any of you guys collecting in this area, get one if you can. I will live vicariously through you because I'm not collecting stuff from the ME any more. Darn it.

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    Re: Qatari Splinter

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    In 2015 Turkish company awarded qatar military uniform contract (and yes they beat sritex from indonesia)
    and sells some contract overrun to commercial market.
    some have with legit tags and some have with shoddy white tags due to copyright issue.
    shame about tags but still great quality uniform.

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