Italian M29 pattern - different versions?

Just want to get a collection of pics or informantion in this thread on the different patterns and colours as well as cuts of this uniform. Please add any photos of your uniforms or pics you have found...

Question - were there different colour versions of the pattern? Were these deliberate, correlated with time periods or were they just non-deliberate manufacturing differences?

For example these two:



The first one looks "green dominant" while the second looks "brown dominant".

Tag from "green" one:


Tag from "brown" one:


Trousers:


I'm assuming all the above are in the standard army cut.

Airborne cut:


Regards,
Martin.

I don't know, though I've personally felt these were just production issues and not deliberate color changes. I've got several different colorations in my hands. Even the BSM types, which are distinctly different, have some significant color variations.

Yes, those trousers you have are standard army cut. The Airborne version has oval kneepads and leg adjustment straps.

I'm only aware of two cuts for the Army all throughout their use: Infantry and Airborne.

Steve

Here are two jackets side by side:



These two I think are production or age variations...

Same jackets with a pair of pants in between:

I know that the BSM coveralls are found in two different patterns, both shapes and colors. So at least those can be classified as different. I've not taken the time to do side by side comparisons between my various Army sets, but I suspect there will be some interesting finds there

Steve

here is mt Army one...

and here is the Marines...

I like the pattern. Have to get one sooner or later...

Philip wrote:I like the pattern. Have to get one sooner or later...

I wish I would have known that...I sold an xtra I got last fall....

Steven

Don't worry... I think it isn't that hard to get. But you can always offer me camo patterns which I don't have in my collection.

The BSM overalls come in two distinctly different patterns (shapes) as well as colors. I only recently noticed this. The two examples I have appear to be from different time periods.

Steve

May be You already know, a brief history from origins:

In 1929 the italian army introduced their camo pattern called M29 or Telo Mimetico M29. This pattern was used during WW2 and after the war in a different colour variation till 1992. This camo pattern was the first military pattern which was widely issued by an army and also its continuous use by the italian army from 1929 – 1992 makes it the longest military issued camo pattern in history.
The pattern was tailored by the italians to make square Zeltbahns in a size of 70.87 x 70.87 Inches. The Zeltbahns could be buttoned together to make different kind of tents. In a second variation the Zeltbahns got, similar to german Zeltbahns, also a hole in the center which could be closed with a flap, so that they could also be worn as a poncho when it was raining. The italian camo pattern was only printed on one side. The back side of the fabric got a brown colour, but not a red brown like the post war fabric. The three colours of the War time pattern coloration are a chocolate brown, green or greyish green and a yellow or ochre. The greens never have a blue or aqua hue.
Post war Zeltbahns got the three typical colours which are a red brown, blue or turquoise and a yellow or ochre.
After the capitulation of the italian army in the year 1943 the Germans started to use the italian camo for their own troops like the 1.SS-Panzer-Division "LAH„ , the 12.SS-Panzer-Division "HJ„ and also to military police units. A lot of uniform items were tailored like tunics, caps, trousers, coveralls, fur lined parkas and the typical triangle Zeltbahn M31. Official no helmet covers were produced in M29 pattern.



Example of colors:
Left side: original italian WW2 square Zeltbahn. Right side: post war square Zeltbahn with the three typical colours which are a red brown, blue or turquoise and a yellow or ochre





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the pattern above was used by "Battaglione San Marco" (italian marines) since 1980



above: again "BATTAGLIONE SAN MARCO"


The Battaglione San Marco (marines) had 2 differents color variants in 1960




above:"Alpini"(mountain troops) 1960 & generic Army




above: "Folgore" version (airborne)

These are my sets









Tent



Duffle

Paratroopers:

rifle is Beretta BM 59 modified version US M14.regards

Interesting assortment of small arms: Garands and MG 42s..

no tanks, I have M1 Garand springfield and M1 carbine original US Army, the gunmachine in italy are prohibited bye.

Ed,

What's the deal with the two trousers that have only a single pocket on the front thigh? I don't think I've seen that before.

Steve

I have owned an original WW2 SS cut jump suit in this pattern complete with German camouflage rank on both arms........it was very nice .

A close friend owns an Italian WW2 paratrooper jump smock in mint condition.
Let me tell you its one of the nicest pieces of camouflage clothing you will ever see ........plus one of the first ever .

Colors are completely different .

owen

I'll post a picture of my jacket on thursday but I was hoping someone could help me identify its age. There are no distinguishable marks or anything but when I got it off ebay there was an outline of the German WWII eagle patch in yellow on one of the arms. For some stupid reason I don't know why I removed the thread

P ,
Nice WW2 mountain jacket .
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Oliver,

I've seen a lot of Italian stuff made up to look like it was used by WW2 Germans. Meant to fool fools.

Owen,

A close friend owns an Italian WW2 paratrooper jump smock in mint condition.
Let me tell you its one of the nicest pieces of camouflage clothing you will ever see ........plus one of the first ever .

Damn, I know exactly the thing you're talking about. I've never seen one except in some B&W photos or post war color plates. You travel in circles I could only dream moving around in! Although I don't collect WW2 stuff because of their cost, I have a strong interest in that stuff both hobby and professional reasons. Heck, I've probably got more books on WW2 German uniforms than I have anything else, and yet I don't own a single one

Steve