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    Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:24 am

    Hi all!

    I have three uniforms with some missing stuff that I would like to replace as was originally on the uniforms. Any help that can be provided will be much appreciated!!

    The first is a Transitional (1978-1981) OD ripstop jacket:



    Specifically, what is the large circular unit badge on the left arm under the Airborne tab? I have a U.S. Pacific Command patch that fits perfectly, but not sure if I have the right vintage or if that is even the most likely candidate. At the very least it will give you guys some idea of how large it is.

    Over the right breast's nametape there is a very large, wide badge that I can't identify. Foreign qualification badge? It was taken off rather roughly and I had to repair the cloth underneath. Above that is a Rigger's badge, which during this timeframe was still unofficial (became official in 1986). I have one that appears to be the correct vintage.

    The second item is an Army air crew two piece uniform. On the left sleeve there is a square unit patch. I was unable to locate an aviation unit badge with this shape.



    In addition to the unit badge I need some version of Aviator Wings, decent used condition. If anybody has one, of any grade, please let me know.

    The third one (not pictured) is a Vietnam era senior NCO's Class A uniform. I'm missing the collar metal "US" badges. I also would like some lightly used campaign ribbon bars appropriate for Sergeant Major with 21 years of service and 2 1/2 years overseas deployment. I'm too lazy to troll through eBay to find something that seems right Very Happy

    Thanks!

    Steve

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by jj on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:38 am

    I will bet you the first one is a canadian airborne wing above the nametape,and a 7th Infantry SSI,as they individual was in the 1/10th Cav (ABN)(LRSD) redesignated 107LRSD,7th Infantry Division (Light) out of Fort Ord,California.The 1/10th Cav LRSD was the first LRS unit activated and manned in the U.S. Army,in 1986.All other Divisions soon followed suit. There weren't too many "Guzman's" in the 7th Div LRS,PM me for more info.

    I have Aircrew (basic) wings,sub on OD if you are looking for those,or do you want aviator wings?

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by Philip on Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:47 am


    3rd ID?


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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by swag on Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:58 am

    I'll second the possibility of it being 3ID. Don't limit your search to just aviation unit patches, not all aviation units wear an aviation specific patch. 1ID, 1AD, 4ID, 82AB, 101AB, etc aviation units wear the division patch.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by Mercenary25 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:11 pm

    In the first one, the circle ghost would be 1st logistics command patch. But others, I don't know.


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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by AndrewA74 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:35 pm

    It is the 1st LOG CMD since it's Airborne. The wing is also going to be the American rigger wings.
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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by jj on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:52 pm

    For the time period,and given the fact it is lightweight,and due to the fact there was a "guzman" when I was in 7th Infantry Divisions LRSD,I am still going to say to look at that possability. the 1st COSCOM would be smaller than the Southcom SSI the owner said "fit" there as well. Additionally, 1st COSCOM at Ft Bragg wasnt widely issued the OD lightweights,as the "Hi speed" units like SF,Ranger,and,at the time,LRSD/LRSC. The 82nd line infantry and LRS/Pathfinder units were sporadically issued lightweight BDU and ODs,Logistics and CS/CSS units were last in line,and as such wouldnt have had a need for the OD uniforms.

    I am not trying to argue,or get in a willie measuring contest,just going with what I know. There is a chance I am wrong, but being in at that time,and in the 7th ID LRS unit,as well as Bragg at that time period, OD like I said, only went to those with a specified need,and CS and CSS units did not have a "need". Remember, at this time,LW BDUs were just coming out,thus why they had to issue back stocks of the OD's.With such a shortage at the time,a Logistics Soldier would fall way behind a LRS,Ranger, or SF soldier in terms or issue and need for a LW uniform.

    Canadian Airborne wings,were a common "jump exchange" for us in the 107th LRSD. We wore them (foreign wings) up until the late 80's IIRC,when a directive came down that they were "no longer authorized for BDU/Combat uniforms",with the same directive banning the Jungle expert,Team/Squad/Regiment pocket patches,"RECONDO" patches of the 2nd,3rd,82nd/101st Abn Div's, and 18th Abn Corps,which was quite a morale buster.A good friend of mine still talks about his recondo patch/badge from the 18thAbn Corps,and wants to be able to wear it on his ACU's.

    I will see if I can find my 10th Cav (ABN)(LRSD) 7th Inf Div (L) uniform for comparison.It will take some digging,so be patient:P

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by CollectinSteve on Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:20 pm

    Thanks so much for the help guys.

    JJ, I believe you are correct that this is 7th ID. I don't know why I didn't think of it!! Like Jeremy and Andrew I also assumed it was 1st LOG CMD because that really did fit, so I got a hold of the SSI. Too small, just like you suggested.

    Canadian wings is probably not correct. I have a genuine one and it's considerably smaller than the outline on the jacket. I'm thinking French is what I'm missing. I don't have one to compare against, but I'm pretty sure the size is correct. It's not the right size for German, and most other nations US forces joint train with don't have para wings on rectangular backings.

    JJ, I appreciate the attempts to dig Wink

    As for the air crew uniform, 3rd ID is a good candidate, though it might be a bit smaller than 3rd ID. I'll have to check on that.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by AndrewA74 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:32 pm

    I'm tellin ya the wings are rigger wings.
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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by jj on Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:42 pm

    I dont think anyone is disputing the rigger wings,ABOVE the canadian jump wings and nametape.
    I apologize if I was unclear in my post,but I thought you folks had the rigger wings already figured out-sorry for any confusion.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by AndrewA74 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:58 pm

    Whoopsy daisy, my bad. Embarassed
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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by jj on Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:21 pm

    Im sory too. I was not very clear:(

    Group Hug (this is the "New" Army,so feelings and tenderness are ok,right:P)

    Seriously, I will try to be clearer in the future.

    I hope our information has been helpful in the reconstruction of your jacket C. Steve! Please post the finished product!

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:12 am

    Thanks all for the help! Now I just need to locate 7th ID SSI, US jump wings (any grade), and French jump wings (any grade) all in used condition. I probably have some US jump wings lying around, but that's the easiest one to get. I'll send around a pic when I've got it complete.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:08 am

    Scratch the idea the wings are French. I dug up some pics of foreign versions of various French wings and the proportions are all wrong.

    JJ, what are the chances of the wings being German? On second thought it might be the correct proportions. I can't find my spare German badging at the moment so I can't tell for sure. Or were the Canadian jump wings of US origins and not Canadian?

    Also, I found I have a nice condition used 7th Inf SSL already, so that one is taken care of. Unfortunately, only jump wings I have are 1960s era.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by jj on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:33 am

    Setve,

    IIRC,German wings were nt square shaped,but more "winged" shape,with a wreath in the middle where a parachute canopy is. I figured Canadian because it was a common exchange with them/us,they were square rectangle shaped,and had either a white or red star (mine had a white star for some reason,and I dont remember why it wasnt the red leaf).

    Well, we know what it CANT be: Brit,US,French,thai,VN,

    Could it be Egyptian? That was a "common" 80's exchange as well. Zaire? Kenyan? I am guessing,since I was sure,with the name and such,it was Canadian. Now I am stumped. Afraid I have no other ideas for foreign wings.

    The beret flash was standard cut-edge 17th cav with the 10th cav buffalo facing towards the left (Someone will correct me if It is suposed to face right please),or, if you wanr a later recreation,the 107th LRSD came up with their own beret flash and para oval worn with the 107th MI Bn crest. In my opinion, the 107th LRSD flash is one of the best loking flashs ever designed,and "fits" perfectly with the crest.

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    Re: Help needed identifying some missing US Army badging

    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:24 pm

    Ah, so the floodgates of possibilities open up Very Happy

    German jump wings have come in a variety of forms, but the most common type for field uniforms is a rectangle. I found a genuine example and the dimensions are close, but as I though a little longer than the one on the above uniform. However, it is possible that the soldier trimmed it so that it was the same width as his name tape. Doing this would put the tips of the wings very close to the edge of the badge, but it does look doable.

    I am unfamiliar with jump wings in general, so I can't comment on the other possibilities. I do know a modern Malaysian badge fits perfectly, but that particular badge definitely isn't right (too new).

    Thanks again for the help!

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