British Jacket lightweight-Gulf War.

Wow nice sparse CBA Duncan, I can honestly say I have never seen one in sparse pattern.

And again to my knowledge sparse was a first pattern MoD DDPM, in GW1, quickly superceded by common or garden DDPM.

Thanks for recognition Mate

I thinking, I have 2-3 this covers to sale or change for others british things

If You want this stuff of course...

Duncan McLain wrote:Thanks for recognition Mate

I thinking, I have 2-3 this covers to sale or change for others british things

If You want this stuff of course...

Depending on value or what you need in a trade i could possibly be interested in one

Easy

First I must ask my people from reeacting group who have this stuff about sale. A thinking 2-3 ithem i can hunting for You and Easy Gee. If I get it, i send private messange for You with full informations.
I'm collector and I understand others collectors when they are discovery new rare stuff
Price have a secondary importance

Duncan McLain wrote:Easy

First I must ask my people from reeacting group who have this stuff about sale. A thinking 2-3 ithem i can hunting for You and Easy Gee. If I get it, i send private messange for You with full informations.
I'm collector and I understand others collectors when they are discovery new rare stuff
Price have a secondary importance

No probs,let me know when you decide.

Thanks.

Gulf91 wrote:As i never knew about this sparse stuff until now-was it an official variation in colour/design or just a manufacturers print variation?

They were made by supercraft as the 1st batch run, jacket,trousers and armour cover and I have seen 1 tropical boonie in it, this as in 1993 in Doncaster in a surplus store in the market.

They were issued mix and match not as full sparse or full later print, you got given a set of whatever. I have seen more trousers in use in period photos but more jackets in the surplus chain, which would explain the shortage of trousers.

My stuff came from a vet on a flea market in 1992 ( RAF hemswell , a WW2 period bomber base) for a whole £5 which was a lot back then. I was tempted as a teen to choc chip them with magic markers as US army kit was super rare then, I'm glad I didn't.

Here are my stuff but photos are missing.

All that are left are a pair of sparse shorts !! I dare anyone to find another pair like this !!! Totally one off issue bit of kit with shiny Canadian buttons.

https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t658-prototype-2-color-desert-dpm-shortsshirtpants-smock

Some recent additions to my collection ,first up a sparse set, these have a proven provenance, plus the hat is original to this set/previous owner.




Next, a jacket I bought from a carboot sale last weekend for £1.00, there is a feint wash out of the "brushstrokes" which was very obvious when the jacket was washed,other than that is was a bargain!



Front of fabric




Rear of fabric

Easy Gee wrote:Some recent additions to my collection ,first up a sparse set, these have a proven provenance, plus the hat is original to this set/previous owner.




Next, a jacket I bought from a carboot sale last weekend for £1.00, there is a feint wash out of the "brushstrokes" which was very obvious when the jacket was washed,other than that is was a bargain!



Front of fabric




Rear of fabric

Fantastic these.

More the 4 part 2 colour get washed more you start to see the ghosting of brown/brown sand/sand splits. I have a set or at least a jacket somewhere unwashed direct from the vet, well he was my sgt major. He came out of his office one day and threw me something which turned out to be his war kit.

"Fantastic these.

More the 4 part 2 colour get washed more you start to see the ghosting of brown/brown sand/sand splits. I have a set or at least a jacket somewhere unwashed direct from the vet, well he was my sgt major. He came out of his office one day and threw me something which turned out to be his war kit."


Many thanks for looking and the compliments B20, I had never took much notice of the fading , but as this one was VERY "musky" it needed a wash ,on the line I noticed the fade out.I got a few bit's and bob's from the fella, including a jungle jacket worn in the Gulf , etc, I will try and post it all up one day.

Great story, and way of sourcing the war kit too.

Regards

Easy Gee wrote:"Fantastic these.

More the 4 part 2 colour get washed more you start to see the ghosting of brown/brown sand/sand splits. I have a set or at least a jacket somewhere unwashed direct from the vet, well he was my sgt major. He came out of his office one day and threw me something which turned out to be his war kit."


Many thanks for looking and the compliments B20, I had never took much notice of the fading , but as this one was VERY "musky" it needed a wash ,on the line I noticed the fade out.I got a few bit's and bob's from the fella, including a jungle jacket worn in the Gulf , etc, I will try and post it all up one day.

Great story, and way of sourcing the war kit too.

Regards

I recently picked up some genuine GW1 boots absolute mint just storage marks and in size 9. If your now hunting first issue deserts it is a bit hard as there is so much modern to sort through.

"I recently picked up some genuine GW1 boots absolute mint just storage marks and in size 9. If your now hunting first issue deserts it is a bit hard as there is so much modern to sort through"

Ah yes the boots, great classic design, I managed to pick up a pair in my size a few years back from ebay.

And I could not agree more with your comment about all the S95 stuff, the market is totally awash with the stuff, in fact I get bored looking at it all on ebay. I must spend hours trawling through the pages and pages of DDPM,trying to find the odd GW 1 item!!!

Hopefully between us we will find those gems amongst the S95 stuff;) 

I have a desert DPM jacket on route NOBODY has  

The GW1 camo print works like this.

DPM    -    DESERT

Brown - brown
Black. -  brown
Green. -  tan
Mustard - tan

Now my new deserts have green and black in DPM printed brown and brown and mustard printed tan !!!!!

One of a kind and can't wait to see in real life

Love it mate, really unusual print ,I look forward to seeing more detailed pics when you can post them up,nice one mate  

Got to say Im afraid that to me DPM is DPM is DPM regardless,yes can tell the difference between Sparse and "Normal" desert but what should I be looking at regarding that shirt?

Sorry if its a dumb question:oops: 

Are the heavyweight material DDPM shirts getting scarce? I found a few here in Canada recently.

Gulf91 wrote:Got to say Im afraid that to me DPM is DPM is DPM regardless,yes can tell the difference between Sparse and "Normal" desert but what should I be looking at regarding that shirt?

Sorry if its a dumb question:oops: 

Hey it's no worries

When Britain first used the non sparse deserts they simply took the 4 part woodland print screens and put sand and brown ink the 4 screens to form 2 colour print.

The brown and black screens of the woodland colours are brown in desert and the green and mustard in woodland would be printed desert pink.

Now this jacket doesn't work like that, the manufacturer or the designer has used different screens to put the ink through. The desert pink is made up from the brown and mustard screens in woodland and the brown is made from green and black screens found in woodland. This gives this jacket a whole brand new unseen print, It doesn't look British at all.

When it arrives I'll take a side by side back shot showing the print we know and love at the side of this unknown unseen print.

CBA with sparse camo that I found locally. Neat pattern.

Mk1rceme wrote:CBA with sparse camo that I found locally. Neat pattern.

That's ghost sparse and only ever seen on frag vests. The cloth weight seems more man made contents and mirrors the jungle tropical suits found in the 80's. These are getting rare now and its a shame as it's such a fantastic eye candy camo pattern. I have a few of these myself but in used battlefield condition but yours is unissued and looks fantastic. I kinda wanting to scour the web now looking for another like this  

Ghost sparse...good to know. I wasn't sure what it was when I got it. I have been buying box lots from a local private collector of GW1 & 2 combat gear. He always has top notch stuff. Lately I got a lot of British kit from him. Uniforms, vests, patches, etc. I collect mainly Canadian and US militaria so I am out of the loop when it comes to British kit...but I'm learning.

Fantastic CBA Mk1rceme, would love one of these in my GW1 collection...outstanding!!!

Mk1rceme wrote:Ghost sparse...good to know. I wasn't sure what it was when I got it. I have been buying box lots from a local private collector of GW1 & 2 combat gear. He always has top notch stuff. Lately I got a lot of British kit from him. Uniforms, vests, patches, etc. I collect mainly Canadian and US militaria so I am out of the loop when it comes to British kit...but I'm learning.

Yes this is ghost sparse because it features a 3rd colour where the woodland mustard and green screens overlapp giving ghost outlines. These ghost outlines are in all frag vests in sparse camo and very early 2 colour deserts.

Here are a pair of what is believed to be trial shorts I own in ghost sparse.

I had a look see through the closet and found four GW1 jackets that I got from my source. I was going to photograph them separately but decided on the group to show color difference. Sorry for the crappy pictures.









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The wind proof smock is the holy grail for any GW1 DPM collector.

I remember in 1994 when I went to cattrick garrison I went to john bulls and he had loads and loads on a rail. He was selling about 2-3 sparse and 30 plus regular desert stuff, I was tempted to buy one.

Mk1rceme wrote:I had a look see through the closet and found four GW1 jackets that I got from my source. I was going to photograph them separately but decided on the group to show color difference. Sorry for the crappy pictures.









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The pale ones are GW1 the darker ones are later , I'd say very late 90's. The darker ones use the modified made for desert only DPM print and not a direct woodland DPM clone.

I have a easy picture to show the differences.